dennis@xxxxxxxx (Dennis Gilmore) writes: >> > Ruby itself didn't add 5m. The package includes bindings for ruby, >> > python, and perl, and all the other more generic things necessary to >> > plug these pieces into KDE. So while it can almost make sense to do a >> > kdebindingsbase, then kdebindings-foo for each language, is it really >> > worth the effort right now? > > Many moons ago Red Hat moved from having all the different apps in there own > binary rpms to having 1 rpm per tarball. Not per application. But I would recommend a dependency based splitting. >> I think such a split should be done (not for FC4 but for FC5). Currently, >> people who need e.g. only ruby bindings are forced to install the huge >> perl dependency. > perl its used by many more things sed supports the '-i' switch for some time already, so a big justification for perl does not exist anymore ;) >> Unfortunatly, such packaging errors are seen often in Fedora >> Core. E.g. people who want sendmail are forced to install MySQL and >> PostgreSQL. > client libs only which i dont think is that bad It is bad and does not make sense. >> Or aspell -- it works perfectly without perl but a packaging bug >> introduces this huge dependency. Unfortunatly, Fedora Core developers >> are not sensitive to such bugs and have a "diskspace is cheap" thinking >> without seeing consequences for security and maintainability of the >> system. > perl is required by many different packages including X I just took a look at some real-world productive servers. 12 of them DO NOT need perl, 9 need perl. Here the details: | $ LANG=C vrpm --all -- -e perl perl-Filter | vrpm: operating on vserver backupc | error: package perl is not installed | error: package perl-Filter is not installed | vrpm failed on vserver 'backupc' with errorcode 2 | | vrpm: operating on vserver cheese | error: package perl is not installed | error: package perl-Filter is not installed | vrpm failed on vserver 'cheese' with errorcode 2 | | vrpm: operating on vserver db | error: package perl is not installed | error: package perl-Filter is not installed | vrpm failed on vserver 'db' with errorcode 2 | | vrpm: operating on vserver dhcp | error: package perl is not installed | error: package perl-Filter is not installed | vrpm failed on vserver 'dhcp' with errorcode 2 +4 for NO perl | vrpm: operating on vserver dict | error: Failed dependencies: | /usr/bin/perl is needed by (installed) dict-cgi-0.0.15-1.noarch | vrpm failed on vserver 'dict' with errorcode 2 +1 for perl | vrpm: operating on vserver kerberos | error: package perl is not installed | error: package perl-Filter is not installed | vrpm failed on vserver 'kerberos' with errorcode 2 +1 for NO perl | vrpm: operating on vserver ldap | error: Failed dependencies: | perl is needed by (installed) openssl-perl-0.9.7f-7.10.i386 | /usr/bin/perl is needed by (installed) openssl-perl-0.9.7f-7.10.i386 | /usr/bin/perl is needed by (installed) openldap-servers-2.2.29-1.FC4.i386 | vrpm failed on vserver 'ldap' with errorcode 2 | | vrpm: operating on vserver ldap-master | error: Failed dependencies: | perl is needed by (installed) openssl-perl-0.9.7f-7.10.i386 | /usr/bin/perl is needed by (installed) openssl-perl-0.9.7f-7.10.i386 | /usr/bin/perl is needed by (installed) openldap-servers-2.2.29-1.FC4.i386 | vrpm failed on vserver 'ldap-master' with errorcode 2 openssl-perl is required by my applications perl-dep in openldap-servers is a packaging bug. Migrate scripts should be in an own package. +2 for perl | vrpm: operating on vserver logalyzer | error: package perl is not installed | error: package perl-Filter is not installed | vrpm failed on vserver 'logalyzer' with errorcode 2 neutral, not configured yet | vrpm: operating on vserver mail-filter | error: Failed dependencies: | libperl.so is needed by (installed) mimedefang-2.52-2.i386 | ... | | vrpm: operating on vserver mail-local | error: Failed dependencies: | ... | perl >= 0:5.006_001 is needed by (installed) spamassassin-3.0.4-2.fc4.i386 | ... | | vrpm: operating on vserver mail-www | error: Failed dependencies: | perl(Carp) is needed by (installed) | perl-Cyrus-2.2.12-6.fc4.sigma.i386 | | vrpm: operating on vserver mailbox | error: Failed dependencies: | perl >= 1:5 is needed by (installed) cyrus-imapd-2.2.12-6.fc4.sigma.i386 | ... | | vrpm: operating on vserver news | error: Failed dependencies: | libperl.so is needed by (installed) inn-2.4.2-3.i386 ok, it is really needed here +5 for perl | vrpm: operating on vserver ns | error: package perl is not installed | error: package perl-Filter is not installed | vrpm failed on vserver 'ns' with errorcode 2 +1 for NO perl... | vrpm: operating on vserver svn | error: Failed dependencies: | perl >= 1:5.0 is needed by (installed) subversion-1.2.3-2.1.i386 | ... Packaging bug; %doc files must not add new dependencies +1 for NO perl | vrpm: operating on vserver syslog | error: Failed dependencies: | perl(POSIX) is needed by (installed) stunnel-4.08-2.i386 | /usr/bin/perl is needed by (installed) stunnel-4.08-2.i386 not really needed; the 'stunnel3' backward-compatibility program should be in a separate package or packaged as %doc So, +1 for NO perl | vrpm: operating on vserver twiki | error: Failed dependencies: | perl >= 0:5.005 is needed by (installed) twiki-0.0.20040904-0.i386 +1 for perl | vrpm: operating on vserver vpn | error: Failed dependencies: | /usr/bin/perl is needed by (installed) openvpn-2.0.5-1.fc4.i386 | vrpm failed on vserver 'vpn' with errorcode 2 packaging bug; %doc must not add new deps +1 for NO perl | vrpm: operating on vserver www-cache | error: Failed dependencies: | perl >= 0:5.003 is needed by (installed) squid-2.5.STABLE11-3.FC4.i386 packaging bug; %doc must not add new deps smbauth scripts should be in an own package +1 for NO perl | vrpm: operating on vserver www.XXX.de | error: Failed dependencies: | /usr/bin/perl is needed by (installed) aspell-0.50.5-6.i386 | vrpm failed on vserver 'www.XXX.de' with errorcode 2 | | vrpm: operating on vserver www.YYYYYYYYYY.de | error: Failed dependencies: | /usr/bin/perl is needed by (installed) aspell-0.50.5-6.i386 | vrpm failed on vserver 'www.YYYYYYYYYY.de' with errorcode 2 packaging bug; unneeded program (aspell-import) introduces perl dep +2 for NO perl Enrico -- fedora-devel-list mailing list fedora-devel-list@xxxxxxxxxx https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-devel-list
