Once upon a time Monday 19 December 2005 2:39 am, Enrico Scholz wrote: > jkeating@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx (Jesse Keating) writes: > >> No, of cause not - I am worried about the package's working principles > >> and their reflection on packaging. > >> > >> So all this more or less a "beware the beginnings/think twice" concern. > > > > Ruby itself didn't add 5m. The package includes bindings for ruby, > > python, and perl, and all the other more generic things necessary to > > plug these pieces into KDE. So while it can almost make sense to do a > > kdebindingsbase, then kdebindings-foo for each language, is it really > > worth the effort right now? Many moons ago Red Hat moved from having all the different apps in there own binary rpms to having 1 rpm per tarball. If we were to now go and split out each and every app into its own binary rpm in one kde package it should be done for every kde package. this would have the effert of greatly increasing the number of rpms in the tree. > I think such a split should be done (not for FC4 but for FC5). Currently, > people who need e.g. only ruby bindings are forced to install the huge > perl dependency. perl its used by many more things > Unfortunatly, such packaging errors are seen often in Fedora > Core. E.g. people who want sendmail are forced to install MySQL and > PostgreSQL. client libs only which i dont think is that bad > Or aspell -- it works perfectly without perl but a packaging bug > introduces this huge dependency. Unfortunatly, Fedora Core developers > are not sensitive to such bugs and have a "diskspace is cheap" thinking > without seeing consequences for security and maintainability of the > system. perl is required by many different packages including X for instance on one of my systems i have [dennis@jaffa ~]$ rpm -q --whatrequires /usr/bin/perl automake15-1.5-13 xplanet-1.1.1-1.1.fc3.fr perl-RPM-Specfile-1.17-2 crossover-standard-3.0.1-1 cedega-4.2ForSteam-1 fbset-2.1-20 autoconf213-2.13-10 jpackage-utils-1.6.3-1jpp_1rh perl-YAML-0.39-2 perltidy-20031021-2 Gtk-Perl-0.7008-38 bonnie++-1.03a-4 ibmonitor-1.3-2 cpan2rpm-2.026-2 perl-XML-Encoding-1.01-27 frozen-bubble-1.0.0-8.2.fc4 perl-IO-stringy-2.110-2 perl-Unicode-Map8-0.12-5 perl-Pod-Coverage-0.17-4.fc4 kino-0.7.6-1.2.fc4 perl-String-ShellQuote-1.03-2 perl-Unicode-Map-0.112-6 perl-XML-XPath-1.13-3 perl-HTML-Tree-3.18-3 perl-Spreadsheet-WriteExcel-2.14-1.fc4 perl-Pod-POM-0.17-4 perl-Image-Size-2.992-3 gtkpod-0.94.0-1.2.fc4 aspell-0.60.3-2 redhat-rpm-config-8.0.39-1 perl-Module-Signature-0.50-1.fc5 perl-Module-Build-0.2611-2.fc5 perl-MIME-Lite-3.01-3.fc5 perl-Module-CoreList-2.02-1.fc5 perl-Net-Server-0.88-1.fc5 patchutils-0.2.31-2 cdlabelgen-3.5.0-1.fc5 gnucash-1.8.11-4 kile-1.8.1-3.fc5 xboard-4.2.7-11.fc5 inkscape-0.42.2-2.fc5 perl-PDL-2.4.2-2.fc5 festival-1.95-4 am-utils-6.1.3-1 perl-GD-2.30-1.fc5 konversation-0.18-5.fc5 fedora-rpmdevtools-1.3-1.fc5 perl-Parse-Yapp-1.05-34.fc5 perl-Net-IP-1.24-2 perl-Archive-Tar-1.26-1 perl-Razor-Agent-2.77-2.fc5 perl-XML-XQL-0.68-1.fc5 glibc-utils-2.3.90-18 sharutils-4.6-2 ghostscript-8.15.1-3 qt-devel-3.3.5-10 w3m-0.5.1-12 xorg-x11-server-Xorg-0.99.3-9 perl-Tk-804.027-8.fc5 glibmm24-devel-2.8.2-1 kdebase-3.5.0-0.2.rc2 xscreensaver-base-4.22-21 ncurses-devel-5.4-22 eclipse-platform-3.1.1-1jpp_9fc kdegraphics-3.5.0-1 kdenetwork-3.5.0-1 perl-5.8.7-8.1 perl-Net-IP-1.24-2.1 libbonobo-2.13.0-1.1 glib2-devel-2.9.1-1 jpackage-utils-1.6.3-1jpp_2rh.1 xorg-x11-font-utils-1.0.0-1 oaf-0.6.10-12.1 psutils-1.17-25.1 netpbm-progs-10.30-2.1 perl-SGMLSpm-1.03ii-16.1 libidn-devel-0.6.0-1.1 lftp-3.3.5-1 perl-Date-Calc-5.4-1.1 numactl-0.6.4-1.24.1 sharutils-4.6-2.1 ncurses-devel-5.4-23.1 automake14-1.4p6-12.1 enscript-1.6.1-31.1 texi2html-1.76-2.1 patchutils-0.2.31-2.1 redhat-rpm-config-8.0.39-1.1 procinfo-18-18.1 valgrind-3.0.1-2.1 fbset-2.1-20.1 autoconf-2.59-5.1 automake-1.9.6-1.1 mod_perl-2.0.2-3.1 perl-DBI-1.48-4.1 mysql-5.0.16-4 perl-libwww-perl-5.803-2.1 docbook-style-xsl-1.69.1-1.1 lm_sensors-2.9.1-5.1 net-snmp-5.2.2-4.1 ethereal-0.10.13-6.1 subversion-1.2.3-6 qt-devel-3.3.5-10.1 cvs-1.11.21-1.1 intltool-0.34.1-1.1 docbook-style-dsssl-1.79-2.1 w3m-0.5.1-12.1 perl-Archive-Tar-1.26-1.1 perl-XML-Twig-3.17-1.1 perl-Archive-Zip-1.16-1.1 perl-PDL-2.4.2-2.fc5.1.1 openldap-servers-2.3.11-3.1 net-snmp-utils-5.2.2-4.1 mysql-server-5.0.16-4 slrn-0.9.8.1pl1-1.1 samba-client-3.0.20b-2.1 automake17-1.7.9-6.1 automake16-1.6.3-5.1 rpm-build-4.4.2-11 ant-scripts-1.6.5-1jpp_1fc.2 stunnel-4.14-2.1 ipv6calc-0.50-1.1 openswan-2.4.4-1.1.1 logwatch-7.1-4.1 a2ps-4.13b-48.1.1 autoconf213-2.13-10.1 kdelibs-3.5.0-3 gstreamer-plugins-0.8.11-1.1 mozilla-1.7.12-3 kdepim-3.5.0-0.1.rc2.1 kdesdk-3.5.0-1.1 bind-9.3.2rc1-1.1 kdemultimedia-3.5.0-1.1 foomatic-3.0.2-29.1 xscreensaver-base-4.22-21.2 docbook-utils-0.6.14-4.1 gtk-doc-1.4-1.1 kdegraphics-3.5.0-2 kdenetwork-3.5.0-1.1 am-utils-6.1.3-1.1 kdevelop-3.3.0-1.1 spamassassin-3.1.0-3.fc5.1 koffice-kpresenter-1.4.2-3.fc5 postfix-2.2.7-1 netatalk-2.0.3-4.1 mc-4.6.1a-5.1 ghostscript-8.15.1-3.1 gnome-utils-2.13.3-1 jessie-1.0.0-10 eclipse-platform-3.1.1-1jpp_10fc -- Dennis Gilmore, RHCE <dennis AT ausil DOT us> http://www.ausil.us
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