If I ask EXTREMELY nicely could we please get the init api discussion taken off to another list? Yes, I know it affects fedora devel but it's been going on the last N days and I have almost zero-interest in it and I know I'm not alone. So if you want a fedora-init-devel-list@xxxxxxxxxx to discuss this in painstaking detail I bet we can get that created for you. Or if you want to discuss it on the mailing list of the initng project (if they have one, etc) then that'd also be great but we've kinda gone down every possible discussion area in the past couple of days and I hope we can stop now. Thank You, -sv -- fedora-devel-list mailing list fedora-devel-list@xxxxxxxxxx https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-devel-list