On Mon, Jan 20, 2025 at 04:24:28PM +0100, Miroslav Suchý wrote: > Dne 20. 01. 25 v 11:29 dop. Michael J Gruber napsal(a): > > There is a second point to that, and that is Fedora as a development > > platform (not just as an "app" platform). If we expect developers to > > install dependencies of their project via the ecosystem tools (pip, ...) > > locally (envs, containers) and "app packages" do the same during build > > then it is time to change the fundamental approach to our distribution > > and view it "merely" as a platform. > > Or we can work on the idea of Rings that Matt proposed ages ago [1]. I would > be +1 for allowing bundling if we allowed it only in a ring N+1 and no > package from ring N is dependent on package from ring N+1. And each ring has > its own compose (yum repo). > > [1] https://fedoramagazine.org/fedora-present-and-future-a-fedora-next-2014-update-part-ii-whats-happening/ Let's not try to revive this. The ring idea is very very dead. Nobody ever provided any coherent specification of how it could work. And it is never going to happen, because the build-time dependency graph between packages is cyclic, with dependencies in "core" packages on various "leafs". (For example: any system package → libsystemd-devel from systemd → meson → python → "everything".) The answer to whether bundling is useful/needed/wanted depends on the implementation language and (sometimes) the details in the package. And this problems can occur at any level, i.e. both "leaf packages" and "leaf packages used to build core packages" and sometimes even "core packages". This does not sort into "rings" in any way. Zbyszek -- _______________________________________________ devel mailing list -- devel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx To unsubscribe send an email to devel-leave@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/devel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Do not reply to spam, report it: https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure/new_issue
