Re: Idea proposal for next mass rebuilds

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On Sat, Jan 18, 2025 at 5:07 PM Michal Schorm <mschorm@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>
> On Sat, Jan 18, 2025 at 4:33 PM Miroslav Suchý <msuchy@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> > Dne 18. 01. 25 v 11:01 dop. Mattia Verga via devel napsal(a):
> > > I think some of the build failures are due to building things out of
> > > sequence.
> >
> > I agree with Fabio in this thread, that it is (should not be) the case.
> >
> > > The optimal solution would be to have some script that periodically
> > > creates a tree of buildrequires dependency for all Fedora packages...
> > > but that would require some work. So, I was just thinking, what about to
> > > set up a simple repository where we put some text files like:
> >
> > As one of the Mock developer, I have seen several people trying to create script that build-order packages. All of them
> > failed. Including me.
> >
> > There are lots of traps:
> > ...
> > ...
> > ...
> > My $0.02 - if you try to write something, write is simple and dumb. Not general. Based on the data from last rebuild.
> > Count with the errors. As it does not be 100% correct. Even if it takes several percent of failures down it will be
> > improvement.
>
> An idea:
> What instead of guessing the dependencies beforehand, we would just
> use the last known set.
> We get that generated for free during every build. So if we just
> preserve and parse the root.log every time a production build
> succeeds,
> we have exactly that "based on the data from the last rebuild" you mentioned.
>
> Don't we already preserve the logs of production builds that reach
> stable, anyway?
>
> I see only 2 main flaws with this:
> - commits added between the last successful build and the mass rebuild
> may cause differences
> - we usually do mass rebuild for Rawhide. At that time, many packages
> had not yet been built even once for Rawhide (that's why we do a mass
> rebuild). However there may already be present macros changing the
> behaviour specifically in that Fedora release.
>
> In both cases, we expect just minor deviances, so the overall graph
> should be mostly correct,
> and that sounds like a good value to effort ratio to me.

And that gives you a huge non-acyclic graph.
What then? You can't apply a topological sort on a graph with cycles.

As I mentioned previously, if the build order during the mass rebuild
makes a difference *at all*, then something went wrong *before the
mass rebuild started*.

Fabio
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