On Wed, Jul 24 2024 at 09:41:16 AM -04:00:00, Stephen Smoogen <ssmoogen@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
1. There are some subset of people who use Fedora because they thought it was a privacy focused distribution. Their concerns did not seem to be taken into account or it needs to be made clearer that is not what the project aims as a high priority compared to other items. Those people can then make a choice if the distribution is still what they want to use.
I just don't understand concerns about collecting non-identifiable data and then not even associating that data with the other data collected from you. But if you don't agree, even that's still fine: we won't collect any data from you anyway, since you won't opt in.
(I'm way more worried that we won't have enough users opt in. Really hope to be wrong here....)
2. I would have liked to see a working server and infrastructure plan on who and how this service is to be run. A service needing to be run by Fedora Infrastructure usually needs a bit more time to get Yet Another Service Never Used(*3) running without problems.
The server components are already documented pretty well in the change proposal. The plan is for Fedora Infrastructure to own the server infrastructure. I'm not a sysadmin and will be useless at this.
3. This is collecting data which for the most part will end up like the bug reports from Koschei, Retrace, Abrt, etc.. stored somewhere with data which very few developers look at except to filter into another '/dev/null' folder .. but required to have infrastructure running for over a decade because it might still be needed.
Well if nobody is looking at the data, then we should stop collecting that data. I don't see much benefit from open-ended data collection.
I think it's pretty unlikely that we'll get to the point that there are *no* metrics worth collecting, so long as people are developing Fedora.
To me any of those needed to be detailed further. Where does personal privacy actually fit in the 4 F's.
I'd say that it doesn't, but only because it starts with a P rather than an F. Privacy is a core value of Fedora, and if we abuse our users' trust, then we won't have many users left.
What happens to users if the Fedora infrastructure breaks or isn't possible to get to due to some Internet problem.
If the infrastructure breaks, then uploading metrics will fail and you'll likely see some warning message in the system journal.
What is to be done if this turns out to be not needed or useful after a release or two?
Then we turn it off, but this seems quite unlikely to me. Michael -- _______________________________________________ devel mailing list -- devel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx To unsubscribe send an email to devel-leave@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/devel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Do not reply to spam, report it: https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure/new_issue
