On Tue, 2 Jul 2024 at 07:00, Michael Catanzaro <mcatanzaro@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote: > > On Tue, Jul 2 2024 at 12:04:48 PM +02:00:00, Vitaly Zaitsev via devel > <devel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: > > Because Red Hat is based in the US. It can be used against users from > > countries and regions that the US does not like (e.g. sanctions, > > export > > policies, etc.). > > Please remember the data collected will be anonymous and the data > points will not be aggregated together with other data points. > If there is one thing I have learned over the last 30 years of data collection.. there is nothing that is truly anonymous anymore than there is any cryptographic function that is truly crack-proof. At best you need to be able to show how your data collection defends against current ways to deanonymize date. 1. The more data you collect, the more methods which can be used to decloak various things. 2. Pretty much every time I have seen someone say 'the data will not be aggregated together'.. that is usually the first thing which gets dropped when someone says 'so we have data pile A which says this and data pile B which says that.. how do we figure out which one is right or if there is any correlation?' You need to have better than 'promises' that these things won't occur. You need outlined methods and be honest ' we can't promise the impossible'. Otherwise this is going to run into the same roadblocks that these proposals have run into for the last 15 years in Fedora because everyone who knows this space is going to see it as snake-oil. > I wouldn't get too caught up in any particular proposed metric at this > time, because each metric will need to be debated separately before it > gets approved to be collected. I'm not seeing a particularly strong > reason for collecting the user's country, but if somebody wants to do > so, we can have that debate at that time. > > Michael > > > -- > _______________________________________________ > devel mailing list -- devel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx > To unsubscribe send an email to devel-leave@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx > Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ > List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines > List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/devel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx > Do not reply to spam, report it: https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure/new_issue -- Stephen Smoogen, Red Hat Automotive Let us be kind to one another, for most of us are fighting a hard battle. -- Ian MacClaren -- _______________________________________________ devel mailing list -- devel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx To unsubscribe send an email to devel-leave@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/devel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Do not reply to spam, report it: https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure/new_issue
