Wiki - https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/DNFAndBootcInImageModeFedora Discussion Thread - https://discussion.fedoraproject.org/t/f41-change-proposal-dnf-and-bootc-in-image-mode-fedora-variants-system-wide/117664 This is a proposed Change for Fedora Linux. This document represents a proposed Change. As part of the Changes process, proposals are publicly announced in order to receive community feedback. This proposal will only be implemented if approved by the Fedora Engineering Steering Committee. == Summary == Enhance the image-mode Fedora user experience by providing familiar DNF commands on client side and inside a container image build. Provide DNF5 alongside rpm-ostree while we slowly port functionality from rpm-ostree to DNF5. DNF5 can be used in most cases during container builds (Containerfile/Dockerfiles) for a familiar UX. Initially DNF will point users to use rpm-ostree on a booted image-based/ostree system. For Fedora 41, we will provide DNF5 on image-based Fedora variants (Atomic desktops, Fedora IoT, etc). We will update all layering examples to use dnf during build time when possible. Additionally to DNF we will still provide '''rpm-ostree''' as the main tool for package layering on the client side and '''bootc''' to manage transactional, in-place operating system updates using OCI/Docker container images. DNF5 will provide a helpful error when running on an ostree/image-based booted system pointing to use rpm-ostree or to unlock the system. This work is part of the [https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Initiatives/Fedora_bootc Fedora Bootable Containers Initiative]. == Owner == * [[User:jmarrero| Joseph Marrero]], jmarrero@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx * [[User:walters| Colin Walters]] * [[User:dcantrell | David Cantrell]] * [[User:Siosm| Timothée Ravier]], siosm@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx * [[User:jlebon| Jonathan Lebon]] == Current status == DNF5 when installed on a image-based/ostree system can be used to install RPMs if the system is unlocked, it also works on most container builds, one major exception at the moment are kernel installations and kernel updates. DNF is not part of image variants at the moment, however CoreOS is exploring adding it via: https://github.com/coreos/fedora-coreos-tracker/issues/1687 Bootc allows system admins to deploy bootable containers and it's available on the Fedora repositories. == Detailed Description == Having the Fedora ecosystem (from users to release engineering) move away from DNF on image-based systems has had mixed results as it has forced sysadmins and users to not use DNF as they are accustomed to and learn a new tool to do RPM package management in their systems. This change proposal starts the process of making DNF the client side tool to manage RPMs on image-based systems in the future. To start we will provide the DNF5 package alongside rpm-ostree, giving sysadmins and users the ability to use DNF on their container builds and unlocked systems running image-based Fedora variants. We will also provide bootc to manage the image-based deployments and updates. This proposes that: * DNF5 is included on image-based/ostree Fedora variants. * DNF5 is updated to point users to rpm-ostree on booted client systems when invoked. * rpm-ostree features will start being ported to DNF5. * We support '''deriving''' new user custom images from image-based Fedora images and installing software using DNF during builds. * We ship bootc on all Fedora image-based variants. == Feedback == None so far. == Benefit to Fedora == * A familiar UX for rpms during container builds of image-based Fedora. * A new dedicated tool for image-based system updates management that follows the *nix ethos of using one thing and doing it well. * An initial use of DNF on booted image-based systems when the system is unlocked. == Scope == * Proposal owners: ** Add DNF5 and bootc on all image-based/ostree variants. ** Update DNF5 error message when called on a booted image-based/ostree system * Other developers: ** The "other" here is vague, but certainly developing this so far has needed cooperation with e.g. the containers, coreos and dnf organizations etc. * Release engineering: Probably nothing needed so N/A [https://pagure.io/releng/issues #Releng issue number] * Policies and guidelines: N/A (not needed for this Change) * Trademark approval: N/A (not needed for this Change) * Alignment with the Fedora Strategy: Aligns with the work to improve Image Mode variants of Fedora == Upgrade/compatibility impact == Each edition/spin will include bootc and dnf(DNF5). However rpm-ostree will still be present, which means there is no upgrade/compatibility impact, we are adding additional tools not removing tools or functionality. == Early Testing (Optional) == Do you require 'QA Blueprint' support? No == How To Test == On a booted image-based host, run: `dnf install <package>` and `bootc status` Inside a Dockerfile/Containerfile with a image-based Fedora variant as a base image, add a package using dnf: `RUN dnf install <package>` == User Experience == Users of image-based Fedora variants will be able to use the `dnf` command on Container builds and unlocked systems. == Dependencies == N/A == Contingency Plan == * Contingency mechanism: Continue to ship without DNF in some or all image-based/ostree variants. * Contingency deadline: Beta freeze. * Blocks release? No == Documentation == * https://dnf5.readthedocs.io/en/latest/ * https://containers.github.io/bootc/ == Release Notes == To be written. -- Aoife Moloney Fedora Operations Architect Fedora Project Matrix: @amoloney:fedora.im IRC: amoloney -- _______________________________________________ devel-announce mailing list -- devel-announce@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx To unsubscribe send an email to devel-announce-leave@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/devel-announce@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Do not reply to spam, report it: https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure/new_issue -- _______________________________________________ devel mailing list -- devel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx To unsubscribe send an email to devel-leave@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/devel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Do not reply to spam, report it: https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure/new_issue
