On Fri, Feb 02, 2024 at 11:08:15AM +0000, Neal Gompa wrote: > On Fri, Feb 2, 2024 at 10:47 AM Peter Hutterer <peter.hutterer@xxxxxxxxx> wrote: > > > > On Thu, Feb 01, 2024 at 03:40:24PM +0000, Sérgio Basto wrote: > > > On Thu, 2024-02-01 at 15:31 +0100, Leon Fauster via devel wrote: > > > > Am 01.02.24 um 14:18 schrieb Sérgio Basto: > > > > <snip> > > > > > > > > > The problem is not KDE SIG not support X11, the problem is KDE SIG > > > > > want > > > > > drop X11 and force user to use wayland . > > > > > > > > > > > > Looking from the side I wonder If its the SIG or more the > > > > circumstances > > > > that everything is in a forward flow and the SIG is facing it. So, if > > > > the best time was not two or one year ago, and obviously also not > > > > now. > > > > When then? The fact is that there must be a point in time when the > > > > display server takes an evolution step forward. > > > > > > > > Pressure in such transition helps to get forward, so I understand the > > > > SIGs POV. Albeit, from the practical POV there are some issue and > > > > therefore X11 is still the place to be. > > > > > > > > Maybe some elaboration should be done about the current state of X11 > > > > vs > > > > Wayland (is it just nvidia?) and a timeframe calculation to have a > > > > resolution. Maybe it won't look so bad then and a interim solution is > > > > then more acceptable. > > > > > > > > > I have an obvious answer is when the authors decide, in this case Xorg, > > > when Xorg decides that it will stop supporting X11, like happened to > > > Python2 or PHP5 and 7 or Gnome > > > > X.org (the ppl doing X development) doesn't work that way, there won't > > be an official "we're no longer supporting this". More likely > > development will languish (except for Xwayland) and actual Xorg releases > > will be few and far in between, at unpredictable cadence and subject to > > someone wanting to do it. > > > > The last Xorg release (21.0) from the master branch was in Oct 2021. The > > only reason that one happened was because Povilas (who wanted a new > > feature in X) stepped up and did the work of collecting the MRs and > > doing the release maintainership. Every 21.x release since has been > > backports and, especially more recently, a huge percentage are CVE fixes. > > > > Fedora still ships the previous release, server 1.20.x, which was > > originally released from git master in 2018, the 1.20.14 version we're > > on (excluding fixes and CVEs) is from Dec 2021. > > > > Xwayland on the other hand (which lives in the same git repo) continues > > on its merry way with the 23.2 series branched as recently as last > > August. But an Xwayland release does not include Xorg because, well, > > there is little motivation to do more Xorg releases. > > > > When it comes down to it it "just" needs someone (trustworthy enough) to > > step up and do them. Whether the releases get picked up immediately like in > > the olden days is a different matter. But I doubt there'll be an X.org > > statement of "we no longer support Xorg" anytime soon, even though that > > is, to some extent functionally already true. > > > > And even before that, things were already only limping along. That was > happening for over a decade and in that timeframe *nobody* has wanted > to step up and work on it. Wayland is the future because otherwise we > have no graphics future, as things currently stand. It also doesn't help that the "it's the same people working on X and Wayland" argument means that, absent significant breakthroughs in space-time research, we can work on one or the other, not both. Something's got to give. Cheers, Peter > > This is why *every* graphical environment is *finally* working on > their Wayland environments if they have any development resources at > all. Last year, we had Cinnamon release its own experimental Wayland > session with v6.0. Budgie is working on replacing X11 with Wayland > this year. LXQt will be on Wayland with v2. Xfce is working on the > same for v4.20. MATE is looking at Wayfire after previously looking at > Mirco for Wayland. Pantheon has been working on it for over a year now > and has an experimental session. > > Everyone is making a path to Wayland a priority because finally enough > is done so that they can. -- _______________________________________________ devel mailing list -- devel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx To unsubscribe send an email to devel-leave@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/devel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Do not reply to spam, report it: https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure/new_issue
