fre, 16 09 2005 kl. 08:20 +0300, skrev Gilboa Davara: > I disagree. > I rather have a stable FC5 with an older KDE/GNOME then have an fairly > stable that semi-work DE that's broken in 50 different places. > As a couple of people (and RH devs) states in the different thread, FC4 > is/was a problematic release. Considering this, it's imperative to get a > better, stable, FC5 out. (Even if it's not bleeding edge) > > Anyways, what-ever you decide, please, please, please make sure > gnome-pilot is working this time? > > Gilboa One of the reasons I think it's important to decide soon if FC5 will target 2.14 or 2.12 is that if we do decide to go for 2.14, it would make it possible to move rawhide to the 2.13.x releases as soon as possible. I would personally be most willing to help set up a user rawhide testing squad, I do all my work on one box and it runs rawhide, upgraded every day - I have a very vested interest in keeping it running on a day to day basis, not that I personally mind a little breakage and baby eating every once in a while, it's a calculated risk. This means filing bugs and tracking the mailing lists for warnings. One of the issues with GNOME .0 releases is that there simply isn't enough testers, and the only way we'll get really stable .0 releases would be if we actively encourage people to do so, and teach people to file good bugs. One of the ways we can do this is to use rawhide from early on as a testing ground for GNOME. I too want a high quality product from FC, that is why I brought this up now rather than in 3 months time when release is closer and we have a more defined image of what makes up FC5. Having recently acquired a palm pilot I am sicked to see distributions follow in FC4s footsteps and breaking syncing - but did anyone actually test this when FC4 was in development. I doubt it, it seems to me that this rather major regression was discovered post release. We need to get more people testing rawhide to ensure that such bugs do not go unnoticed and that people don't just shrug them off thinking, someone else will discover this or the developers probably already know about this. I felt that way about this cute little bug in rpm a while back that completely broke it by default on my setup because of my locale defaults[1], I mean I'm clever enough to work around this one but never the less it's a bug and it's still in there and it has been forever. I'd be most willing to do a weekly update mail to the devel list pointing out the user bugs an eventual rawhide testing team is able to find and confirm, I have plenty of time on my hands and I'm more than willing to donate it to this effort if there is support for the idea. David *breaking code in interesting ways since 1981* Nielsen [1] https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=161582
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