On Sat, Jun 3 2023 at 10:26:07 AM -0000, John Iliopoulos
<jxftw2424@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Hello,
While i completely understand why you do this i do think that it is
important for desktop/workstation oriented devices to have some
optional access to Office directly from the image file. Have you
considered shipping the LibreOffice flatpak via the ISO much like
Fedora Silverblue does with various other applications?
This is the first time i reply to a mailing list so i hope i have not
done anything wrong.
Hi. Welcome to the list. You haven't done anything wrong.
For Fedora Workstation, the mid-term plan is to ship all preinstalled
apps as Fedora Flatpaks. We cannot ship anything from Flathub because
FESCo will not allow it. I don't *like* this FESCo requirement, but I
also don't expect that to change. Accordingly, since Fedora Flatpaks
are built from Fedora RPMs, maintaining the LibreOffice RPMs is
essential to keep LibreOffice preinstalled. (I think that applies to
Silverblue as well?)
My $0.02: maintaining complex desktop applications as part of the
operating system requires significant effort and produces low value for
users when you can easily install that app from Flathub instead. (It
*especially* doesn't make sense to do in RHEL, but let's focus on
Fedora here.) I'd rather focus on the OS bits where we actually add
real serious value. But I also do want the office suite to remain
preinstalled in Workstation because the office apps are "killer apps"
for desktop users and being able to handle office documents
out-of-the-box is very important for users who are new to Linux and
unfamiliar with how to do this with nothing installed; most people have
probably never even heard of LibreOffice and wouldn't know to look for
it, and I doubt online alternatives like Google Docs will be acceptable
to users who need to work on local documents.
So it comes down to maintenance. If people help Gwyn keep LibreOffice
building, updated, and working with a reasonable level of quality, then
I'm personally happy to keep it preinstalled, and I hope the
Workstation Working Group will agree. Probably the most important first
step is to keep track of orphaned dependencies and make sure they do
not get retired. Of course, this is much easier said than done....
Michael
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