Hi! Sorry for the late reply, esp. that I need to grumble a bit. I missed the thread and only came here via the fesco ticket. On Mon, Apr 24, 2023 at 12:15:12PM -0400, Ben Cotton wrote: > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/BiggerESP > == Feedback == > > There is no alternative -- the ESP has to scale up if we want firmware > updates to continue to work and to support UKIs for next-generation > bootloaders. Nitpick: this isn't actually true. UKIs can (and should) be loaded just fine from the "other boot partition", i.e. /boot a.k.a. XBOOTLDR [1]. [1] https://uapi-group.org/specifications/specs/boot_loader_specification/#type-2-efi-unified-kernel-images > == Summary == > > This change will increase the minimum size of the ESP to be 500MB, > which is also the same value used by Microsoft for Windows 10 and > newer. This is both too much and not enough. Essentially, this grows the ESP, but also leaves the XBOOTLDR partition large. Overall, the users pays twice, and on some systems 1.5GB is not insignificant. OTOH, 500 or 512 MB seems not enough: three big UKIs and a rescue kernel and and some Windows blobs and a firmware update would likely overflow. If we want to change the default here, let's do some proper cleanup: 1. the split between ESP and XBOOTLDR is only useful in the case where ESP already existed and was small. If the installer is *creating* an ESP, it should just make it large enough. 2. having a second partition with a second (different) file system implementation just increases the footprint and attack surface for no gain. If we create XBOOTLDR, make it like the ESP (i.e. VFAT in almost all realistic scenarios). 3. if there are bootloaders that don't read one or the other partition as they should, fix them. Then we can make the ESP 1 GB *and* save space compared to current defaults. (Point 2. is not really *necessary* for the size changes, but it'd be nice to get rid of this anachronism if this area is being touched.) Zbyszek _______________________________________________ devel mailing list -- devel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx To unsubscribe send an email to devel-leave@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/devel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Do not reply to spam, report it: https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure/new_issue
