Re: subarchitectures and RISC-V, was Re: F39 proposal: RPM 4.19 (System-Wide Change proposal)

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On 4/11/23 19:14, przemek klosowski via devel wrote:
On 4/4/23 10:28, Dan Čermák wrote:
Chris Adams <linux@xxxxxxxxxxx> writes:

Yeah, it'd be back to the i386/i586/i686 days... which was a bit of a
PITA sometimes.  But cramming multiple architectures of core libraries
into a single RPM would be bad for disk space, image size, downloads,
etc.

But something that didn't exist in the i386/i686 days is containers -
whether base images like for podman or full things like Flatpaks.
Before going too deep into multi-level architectures, that should be
taken into account.
Afaik at least container runtimes do not support really support x86_64
subarchitectures: https://github.com/containers/podman/discussions/15256

The situation in the RISC-V universe is even more complicated because of all the extensions

https://en.wikichip.org/wiki/risc-v/standard_extensions

It'll be challenging to write and package software that is portable between all those variants---the fat binaries are just not practical due to combinatorial complexity, so it'll have to be either install-time or link-time configuration.

Whatever standard scheme Fedora uses for x86 will hopefully be very useful for RiSC-V era that is apparently coming, with Linux-capable SBC boards like VisionFive ($65)  and Pine64 ($70 and $8 (!) ox64) just becoming available, and a lot of activity on the horizon.
Rather than trying to track all the individual extensions and combinations thereof, I would suggest focusing on RVI defined profiles. Essentially they provide a set of mandatory features the architecture must support (to be compliant with the profile).

That may rule out certain processors, but it ultimately provides a higher performing baseline architecture for systems that are (hopefully) going to be good performing parts rather than embedded focused parts.

jeff
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