On Tue, Mar 14, 2023 at 11:44 PM <yanqiyu01@xxxxxxxxx> wrote: > > With some layering package trick, yes, all behavior returned to before. > after the swap. Aha. Thank you for testing. Hmm, that is interesting... > Also, at least for Evince it can tell me what font it is using, and in > this case it's google-noto-sans-cjk-fonts or VF version. I mean we may have different version of Noto CJK fonts on host and flatpak runtime - I don't know if they have though. that is quite difficult to see on apps which one it is. > > 在 2023-03-14星期二的 23:14 +0900，Akira TAGOH写道： > > > Thank you for the feedback. > > > > > > What if you install google-noto-sans-cjk-fonts instead of > > > google-noto-sans-cjk-vf-fonts? > > > just wanted to make sure if this is a variable font-related issue > > > or > > > design-related update in Noto CJK. > > > Also, good to try on non-flatpak app too. it is a bit complicated > > > to > > > make sure if they use the expected fonts. > > > The best way may be to check it out on pango-view and hb-view. > > > > > > On Tue, Mar 14, 2023 at 10:58 PM <yanqiyu@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Hi, > > > > > > > > > > Seems that some changes mentioned below just hit > > > > > fedora:fedora/38/x86_64/testing/silverblue today in version > > > > > 38.20230314.0. And ostree diff is below (changes between > > > > > 38.20230313.0 > > > > > and 38.20230314.0, filtered to show only fontconfig files for > > > > > CJK): > > > > > > > > > > D /usr/etc/fonts/conf.d/65-0-google-noto-sans-cjk-ttc.conf > > > > > D /usr/etc/fonts/conf.d/65-google-noto-cjk-fonts.conf > > > > > D /usr/share/fontconfig/conf.avail/65-0-google-noto-sans- > > > > > cjk- > > > > > ttc.conf > > > > > D /usr/share/fontconfig/conf.avail/65-google-noto-cjk- > > > > > fonts.conf > > > > > A /usr/etc/fonts/conf.d/65-0-google-noto-sans-cjk-vf- > > > > > fonts.conf > > > > > A > > > > > /usr/etc/fonts/conf.d/65-google-noto-sans-cjk-mono-vf- > > > > > fonts.conf > > > > > A /usr/etc/fonts/conf.d/65-google-noto-sans-cjk-vf- > > > > > fonts.conf > > > > > A /usr/share/fontconfig/conf.avail/65-0-google-noto-sans- > > > > > cjk-vf- > > > > > fonts.conf > > > > > A > > > > > /usr/share/fontconfig/conf.avail/65-google-noto-sans-cjk-mono- > > > > > vf- > > > > > fonts.conf > > > > > A /usr/share/fontconfig/conf.avail/65-google-noto-sans-cjk- > > > > > vf- > > > > > fonts.conf > > > > > > > > > > But I am noticing some font being very thin, including English > > > > > fonts in > > > > > Evince when not using embed fonts and all non-UI text in > > > > > Telegram > > > > > (both > > > > > Evince and Telegram is installed from flatpak). > > > > > > > > > > I don't know if this should be considered as a bug from this > > > > > change > > > > > or > > > > > just several applications not being compatible with VF fonts > > > > > and > > > > > should > > > > > be reported to their upstream separately. > > > > > > > > > > Cheers, > > > > > Qiyu Yan > > > > > > > > > > --- > > > > > This is an example of a random PDF file not being rendered > > > > > correctly: > > > > > https://texdoc.org/serve/latexmk/0 > > > > > > > > > > Firefox can correctly render fonts with different weight while > > > > > Evince > > > > > will produce equal-weight result. > > > > > > > > > > 在 2023-01-09星期一的 13:28 -0500，Ben Cotton写道： > > > > > > > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/Noto_CJK_Variable_Fonts > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This document represents a proposed Change. As part of the > > > > > > > Changes > > > > > > > process, proposals are publicly announced in order to > > > > > > > receive > > > > > > > community feedback. This proposal will only be implemented > > > > > > > if > > > > > > > approved > > > > > > > by the Fedora Engineering Steering Committee. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > == Summary == > > > > > > > Switch the default Noto CJK fonts for Chinese, Japanese and > > > > > > > Korean > > > > > > > from static to variable fonts. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > == Owner == > > > > > > > * Name: [[User:pwu| Peng Wu]] > > > > > > > * Email: pwu@xxxxxxxxxx > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > == Detailed Description == > > > > > > > In order to reduce the font size in Noto CJK fonts, we plan > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > switch > > > > > > > to use the variable fonts by default. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > # Split the google-noto-cjk-fonts package into > > > > > > > google-noto-sans-cjk-fonts and google-noto-serif-cjk-fonts, > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > provide the variable fonts in google-noto-sans-cjk-vf-fonts > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > google-noto-serif-cjk-vf-fonts. > > > > > > > # Drop several sub packages which are not installed by > > > > > > > default > > > > > > > from > > > > > > > the google-noto-cjk-fonts package. > > > > > > > ## Like google-noto-sans-cjk-*-fonts, google-noto-sans-*- > > > > > > > fonts, > > > > > > > google-noto-sans-mono-cjk-*-fonts, google-noto-serif-cjk-*- > > > > > > > fonts > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > google-noto-serif-*-fonts > > > > > > > # Install the Noto CJK Variable Fonts by default. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Fedora Copr for testing: > > > > > > > https://copr.fedorainfracloud.org/coprs/pwu/noto-cjk/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > == Feedback == > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > == Benefit to Fedora == > > > > > > > The variable fonts will reduce the disk space usage and > > > > > > > live > > > > > > > image > > > > > > > size compared to the static fonts. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > {| class="wikitable" > > > > > > > > > + RPM Size > > > > > > > > > - > > > > > > > ! Size (bytes) !! Noto Sans CJK !! Noto Serif CJK > > > > > > > > > - > > > > > > > > > Static Fonts || 130674365 || 181621033 > > > > > > > > > - > > > > > > > > > Variable Fonts || 64613100 || 56924710 > > > > > > > > > } > > > > > > > > > > > > > > == Scope == > > > > > > > * Proposal owners: > > > > > > > ** Package four font packages for Noto CJK fonts > > > > > > > ** Retire google-noto-cjk-fonts in Fedora rawhide > > > > > > > ** Switch to install variable fonts by default in fedora- > > > > > > > comps > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > langpacks > > > > > > > ** Submit pull request to lorax templates to use > > > > > > > google-noto-sans-cjk-fonts in the boot.iso > > > > > > > > > > > > > > * Other developers: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > * Release engineering: > > > > > > > * Policies and guidelines: N/A (not needed for this Change) > > > > > > > * Trademark approval: N/A (not needed for this Change) > > > > > > > * Alignment with Objectives: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > == Upgrade/compatibility impact == > > > > > > > > > > > > > > When upgrade, the variable fonts will be installed by > > > > > > > default. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > == How To Test == > > > > > > > > > > > > > > * Please upgrade to Fedora 38 or rawhide to get the latest > > > > > > > fonts > > > > > > > * Install the variable fonts: google-noto-sans-cjk-vf-fonts > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > google-noto-serif-cjk-vf-fonts > > > > > > > ** Check the google-noto-sans-cjk-ttc-fonts and > > > > > > > google-noto-serif-cjk-ttc-fonts packages are replaced > > > > > > > * Then use CJK locales to check if the new fonts have any > > > > > > > problem > > > > > > > > > > > > > > == User Experience == > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This new variable fonts will reduce the disk space usage > > > > > > > and live > > > > > > > image size. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > == Dependencies == > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > == Contingency Plan == > > > > > > > > > > > > > > * Contingency mechanism: Use the static fonts by default - > > > > > > > google-noto-sans-cjk-fonts and google-noto-serif-cjk-fonts > > > > > > > * Contingency deadline: N/A > > > > > > > * Blocks release? N/A > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > == Documentation == > > > > > > > N/A (not a System Wide Change) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > == Release Notes == > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This new variable fonts will reduce the disk space usage > > > > > > > and live > > > > > > > image size. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > > Ben Cotton > > > > > > > He / Him / His > > > > > > > Fedora Program Manager > > > > > > > Red Hat > > > > > > > TZ=America/Indiana/Indianapolis > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > > > devel mailing list -- devel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx > > > > > > > To unsubscribe send an email to > > > > > > > devel-leave@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx > > > > > > > Fedora Code of Conduct: > > > > > > > https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ > > > > > > > List Guidelines: > > > > > > > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines > > > > > > > List Archives: > > > > > > > https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/devel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx > > > > > > > Do not reply to spam, report it: > > > > > > > https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure/new_issue > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > devel mailing list -- devel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx > > > > > To unsubscribe send an email to > > > > > devel-leave@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx > > > > > Fedora Code of Conduct: > > > > > https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ > > > > > List Guidelines: > > > > > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines > > > > > List Archives: > > > > > https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/devel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx > > > > > Do not reply to spam, report it: > > > > > https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure/new_issue > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > Akira TAGOH > > > _______________________________________________ > > > devel mailing list -- devel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx > > > To unsubscribe send an email to devel-leave@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx > > > Fedora Code of Conduct: > > > https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ > > > List Guidelines: > > > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines > > > List Archives: > > > https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/devel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx > > > Do not reply to spam, report it: > > > https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure/new_issue > > _______________________________________________ > devel mailing list -- devel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx > To unsubscribe send an email to devel-leave@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx > Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ > List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines > List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/devel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx > Do not reply to spam, report it: https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure/new_issue -- Akira TAGOH _______________________________________________ devel mailing list -- devel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx To unsubscribe send an email to devel-leave@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/devel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Do not reply to spam, report it: https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure/new_issue
