Re: F38 proposal: Shorter Shutdown Timer (System-Wide Change proposal)

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Hello,

On Friday, December 23, 2022 6:52:02 AM EST Tom Hughes via devel wrote:
> On 23/12/2022 11:45, Naheem Zaffar wrote:
> > On Fri, 23 Dec 2022 at 08:26, Vitaly Zaitsev via devel 
> > <devel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx <mailto:devel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>> 
> > wrote:
> >     On 23/12/2022 09:20, Mattia Verga via devel wrote:
> >      > I know this is way harder, but the right approach would be having
> >     a way
> >      > to tell systemd what processes can be killed and what other
> >      > processes
> >      > must not be forced off in any case, then display a user friendly
> >     message
> >      > which inform the user that the system cannot be forced off ATM
> >     "because
> >      > I'm doing this or that". In the worst case, the user can choose
> >     to pull
> >      > the plug themselves.
> > 
> >     I agree. Terminating the PackageKit service while updates are being
> >     installed can result in a broken system.
> > 
> > Is there a way to be smarter about all this?
> > 
> > 1. Set default at 15s or something short.
> > 2. For services known to require longer (older pinephone modem firmware,
> > libvirtd), allow a larger timeout for that specific service only
> > 3. For services that should NOT be terminated have a mechanism for them 
> > to not be cut off
> 
> Despite the title of this change I believe the proposal is only
> to change the default timeout and a service would still be able to
> set a different timeout in it's service file.

I wonder if this proposal should also include  verifying that known problem 
services have an appropriate override?

-Steve

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