Re: F38 proposal: Shorter Shutdown Timer (System-Wide Change proposal)

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On Thu, Dec 22, 2022 at 10:40:23PM +0100, allan2016--- via devel wrote:
> På Thu, 22 Dec 2022 10:29:29 -0800
> Adam Williamson <adamwill@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> skrev:
> > On Thu, 2022-12-22 at 18:44 +0100, Tomasz Torcz wrote:
> > > On Thu, Dec 22, 2022 at 12:35:54PM -0500, Ben Cotton wrote:  
> > > > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/Shorter_Shutdown_Timer
> > > > 
> > > > This document represents a proposed Change. As part of the Changes
> > > > process, proposals are publicly announced in order to receive
> > > > community feedback. This proposal will only be implemented if
> > > > approved by the Fedora Engineering Steering Committee.
> > > > 
> > > > == Summary ==
> > > > A downstream configuration change to reduce the systemd unit
> > > > timeout from 2 minutes to 15 seconds.  
> > > 
> > >   Great change, please do it!
> > > Also, sometimes after reaching the timeout, systemd extends wait by
> > > another 2 minutes (or 1m30). I wasn't able to find in the sources or
> > > documentation why this happens, but this behaviour should be
> > > blocked. Otherwise some services after 15s will get another 15, and
> > > then another…  
> > 
> > 15 seconds feels very aggressive to me. I can think of some cases,
> > like libvirtd automatically suspending or cleanly shutting down
> > running VMs, that might well take longer than that. Could we not go
> > for 30 seconds? Going all the way from 90/120 down to 15 seems pretty
> > radical.
> 
> 15 seconds will for sure kill the modem on the Pinephones for good.
> When the shutdown command are sent to the modem, it takes 20-30 seconds
> for the modem to shut down completely. Powering off the phone before the
> modem has completely shut down is more or less a sure way to kill the
> modem for good, as it can destroy the user space data in the modem.
> You will get a lot of angry Pinephone users - if introducing this
> "feature" in rawhide !

That's good feedback. I believe that in this case it'd be suitable for
the pinephone to install an override that extends the timeout.

Zbyszek
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