Hello all, I'm not quite sure how to approach this problem, but as it stands, the packages for the Pantheon DE and associated "elementary" applications will probably be mostly broken when Fedora 37 will be released. Every major GNOME update comes with problems for Pantheon (especially due to mutter API changes), but this time is *much* worse due to the additional libsoup 2 -> 3 transition. Upstream development of the Pantheon / elementary projects is now focused on finally getting elementary OS 7 out the door (which was already supposed to have happened, it will be based on ubuntu 22.04 LTS, after all). Support for things that are in the far-off future (like libsoup3, webkit2gtk-4.1, etc.) are low priority for them, especially given their diminished manpower. (The list of currently broken or "in danger of being broken on Fedora 38+" applications and components is included below, including links to upstream tickets.) I am already at my limit with the time that I can invest into Fedora, and GObject C is the bane of my existence - so I can't really help with these porting efforts, and upstream development is (rightfully so) focused on their own, more important problems right now. I doubt that these problems will be fixed in time for the release of Fedora 37. And because many of these problems result in outdated, crashing, failing-to-install or failing-to-build packages, I don't think this is a good outcome at all, least for my users. Rather than leave the DE available, but in an utterly broken and useless state, I'd rather remove it from Fedora 37 altogether. This set of packages also has at least some sentimental value to me, because they were my first contributions to Fedora - first in COPR, then getting them through package review (my first review request was for the granite GTK widget library for elementary applications, which was reviewed by rathann and ngompa). The Pantheon components and elementary apps are also probably the packages with the biggest number of actual users (the combination of "Pantheon on Fedora" is quite popular for something that's not available as an official Spin), maybe except for Syncthing, among all the packages that I maintain. So, I don't see any "good" way to handle this right now. If somebody can give me any advice for what to do in this situation, I would be grateful (even if the advice is: "yes, retire the packages, rather than leave them broken, they can be added back once they have been fixed"). Thanks, Fabio ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Some critical Pantheon DE components that are currently broken: - gala (window manager): https://github.com/elementary/gala/issues/1447 broken due to mutter API changes between 43.alpha and 43.beta fails to build + fails to install on Fedora 37+ - elementary-greeter (LightDM greeter): https://github.com/elementary/greeter/issues/617 broken due to mutter API changes fails to build + fails to install on Fedora 37+ - wingpanel (top panel, application launcher, indicators, etc.): https://github.com/elementary/wingpanel/issues/462 broken due to broken gala, and also because of mutter API changes fails to build + fails to install on Fedora 37+ Creating a compat package for older versions of mutter has previously worked to work around the worst problems, but it comes with its own can of worms (i.e. you need to backport upstream patches for compatibility with the latest gnome-settings-daemon version, etc.), and this is not something that I can commit to doing again. Additionally, some applications are broken: - elementary-calendar: https://github.com/elementary/calendar/issues/756 broken because it directly links libsoup2, but also evolution-data-server, which has transitioned to libsoup3, and geocode-glib-1.0, which is the libsoup-2 version fails to build / install on Fedora 37+ - elementary-mail: https://github.com/elementary/mail/issues/793 broken because it uses webkit2gtk-4.0, but also evolution-data-server, which has moved to libsoup3 fails to build / install on Fedora 37+ - elementary-tasks: https://github.com/elementary/tasks/issues/340 broken because it uses libsoup2, but also evolution-data-server, and geocode-glib-1.0, which is the libsoup-2 versionfails to build / install on Fedora 37+ fails to build / install on Fedora 37+ Other applications aren't broken *yet*, but they will need to be ported to new library versions at some point (for Fedora 38, or Fedora 39 at the latest, according to current plans for the removal of libsoup2): - elementary-photos: https://github.com/elementary/photos/issues/718 needs to be ported to webkit2gtk-4.1 / rest-1 / libsoup-3 - elementary-capnet-assist: https://github.com/elementary/capnet-assist/issues/84 and 85 needs to be ported to webkit2gtk-4.1 and gcr-4.0 - switchboard-plug-onlineaccounts: https://github.com/elementary/switchboard-plug-onlineaccounts/issues/243 needs to be ported evolution-data-server 3.45+ / libsoup-3 _______________________________________________ devel mailing list -- devel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx To unsubscribe send an email to devel-leave@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/devel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Do not reply to spam, report it: https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure/new_issue
