On Thu, 2005-07-14 at 11:06 -0400, Dimi Paun wrote: > I'm not sure if people realize how unwelcomming this sort of attitude is. > It's very much reminiscent of the in-group environment enjoyed in the core > BSD circles. It is bad. This is not how you build a community, even if > you are correct at a rational level. I agree with the totality of this portion. Namely: 1) Many of the issues raised on this list do not belong here. 2) Many times the off-topic threads end with rude comments. 3) This is not a good way to encourage people to contribute to Fedora. Ideas (possibly cracktastic) to change this: 1) Boilerplate similar to POSTISOFFTOPIC but specifically for addressing issues to upstream. A group of volunteers to send the actual message whenever a post is off topic. Everyone else agrees to ignore off-topic posts. 2) Start a project to package different default values for Extras. We have redhat-rpm-config changing rpm and fedora-release changing the config of yum. Maybe there should be a poweruser-gconf-tweaks. (More seriously, it should probably be more like config-nautilus-nonspatial, config-rpmbuild-userdirs, config-metacity-focusfollows, etc) this can work for things that just require default config changes but will not work for compilation/upstream code changes. 3) Express interest in following upstream developments. Encourage the opening of bugzilla.redhat.com bugs with upstream bug #'s for these issues. There's no commitment to make changes, just a commitment to actively monitor what upstream has to say about the issue and if upstream commits to making a change, we'll do the same. 4) <Your wildly creative back of the envelope idea here> -Toshio
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