Re: F37 proposal: Fallback Hostname (System-Wide Change proposal)

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On Mon, Jun 13, 2022 at 04:12:49PM -0400, Matthew Miller wrote:
> On Mon, Jun 13, 2022 at 09:38:01PM +0200, Peter Boy wrote:
> > >> YaST generates a linux-XXXX hostname when you install it. The "XXXX"
> > >> string is alphanumeric.
> > > 
> > > Also, yeah, I think if systemd-hostname could do something like that,
> > > we could do that instead of forcing localhost.

That sounds like it would be very simple to implement.

This could be a useful feature, e.g. I'd finally be able to distuinguish
all my fedora VMs without figuring out unique names for them.

> > One big argument pro change proposal was resp. is, that many tools
> > recognise localhost as unconfigured and don’t work anymore when you change
> > to something different.
> > 
> > Doesn't a change to linux-xxxx contradict the original rationale pro the change proposal?

And this is the hard part: the question is whether those … subpar tools
that hardcode "localhost" will be happy with anything else.

(For people who are not familiar with the backstory: we now have an
D-Bus API where you can query the hostname but also the origin of that
configuration: static/transient/default).

> My take is: a freshly- but fully-installed Fedora Server or Fedora
> Workstation system _shouldn't_ be "unconfigured". It should be basically
> ready to go. And it's ideal of we can get to that state without asking a
> litany of questions.
> 
> For Fedora Server, it may be that "configure your DNS" is actually part of
> what's expected. But for Fedora Workstation, that's probably not reasonable
> — lots of laptops which move networks, etc.

Zbyszek
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