Re: F37 proposal: Build all JDKs in Fedora against in-tree libraries and with static stdc++lib (System-Wide Change proposal)

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On Tue, May 17, 2022 at 5:09 PM Daniel P. Berrangé <berrange@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>
> On Tue, May 17, 2022 at 04:20:56PM +0200, Tomasz Torcz wrote:
> > On Tue, May 17, 2022 at 02:11:03PM +0200, Vitaly Zaitsev via devel wrote:
> > > > First - our burden. We ahve to certify each binary. This is quite long
> > > > and lenghty process. Onl once it is certified, we can release it (with
> > > > small unwritten exception in rawhide)
> > >
> > > Just stop doing TCK certification. Most of Fedora users don't need
> > > "certified binaries".
> >
> >   Exactly. This change does not benefit Fedora, it is only to make
> > certification easier. Certification which is not needed.
>
> At its heart the certification is a "sticker" that asserts our
> JDK has passed the TCK test suite. IOW, saying that we don't need
> certification of JDK is effectively saying that we don't need to do
> testing of JDK in Fedora.

Correct me if I'm wrong in that specific case, but, purely logically,
"certification implies some testing" doesn't imply
"lack of certification abolishes all testing".

> Comprehensive testing of software is
> something that very much does benefit Fedora and its users, and we
> could do with a whole lot more of it in general. Further elsewhere
> in this thread it has been clearly said that users of JDKs do
> indeed value the certification as a sign of quality. So I don't
> think we can credibly claim that certification is not needed.
>
> The challenege is how to make the certification managable for the
> maintainers, while also having the packaging process be amenable
> to Fedora processes. Eliminating testing of JDK is not a desirable
> solution.
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