On Tue, Apr 5, 2022 at 6:51 PM Demi Marie Obenour <demiobenour@xxxxxxxxx> wrote: > > I'm flattered, but I intend to drop vesa in F37 regardless of the > > outcome of this particular change. The only supported way to get to > > graphics with vesa is to use Xorg, and we sincerely want to be out of > > the business of maintaining Xorg the hardware server. (We'll need an X > > server forever, Xwayland isn't going away, don't misread me here.) > > Does that mean that F37 will only have an Xwayland package, not an > Xorg package? And does it mean that XFCE support is being deprecated? > Qubes OS relies on the latter. I chose my words carefully, I said "drop vesa" not "drop Xorg". It means F37 will not have a vesa driver for the Xorg server to use. Xorg will still be there for at least another release, probably several. It's likely that the long term plan for preserving X11-only desktop environments would be to run (say) weston such that its only client is a fullscreen Xwayland, rather than Xorg driving the hardware directly. > > And frankly at this point if you seriously want to use vesa it's > > because you're trying to like reverse engineer some obscure card's > > VBIOS, and if you're doing that you're probably building your own X > > server anyway, I know I would be. Its use as an emergency driver on > > physical GPUs is negligible, we have native drivers for virtually > > everything made in the last 20 years. Its use as an emergency driver > > in virtual machines is more statistically significant, maybe, but even > > there we usually have a drm driver these days, and where we don't we > > can probably club it into bochs_drm since that's the only rom anyone > > bothers to use for that. > > Do we have DRM drivers for the UEFI framebuffer and the standard > QEMU-emulated graphics? Yes. - ajax _______________________________________________ devel mailing list -- devel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx To unsubscribe send an email to devel-leave@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/devel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Do not reply to spam on the list, report it: https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure
