On 4/5/22 15:58, Adam Jackson wrote: > On Tue, Apr 5, 2022 at 11:18 AM Ben Cotton <bcotton@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote: > >> While this will eventually reduce workload for boot/installation >> components (grub2 reduces surface area, syslinux goes away entirely, >> anaconda reduces surface area), the reduction in support burden >> extends much further into the stack - for instance, VESA support can >> be removed from the distro. > > I'm flattered, but I intend to drop vesa in F37 regardless of the > outcome of this particular change. The only supported way to get to > graphics with vesa is to use Xorg, and we sincerely want to be out of > the business of maintaining Xorg the hardware server. (We'll need an X > server forever, Xwayland isn't going away, don't misread me here.) Does that mean that F37 will only have an Xwayland package, not an Xorg package? And does it mean that XFCE support is being deprecated? Qubes OS relies on the latter. > And frankly at this point if you seriously want to use vesa it's > because you're trying to like reverse engineer some obscure card's > VBIOS, and if you're doing that you're probably building your own X > server anyway, I know I would be. Its use as an emergency driver on > physical GPUs is negligible, we have native drivers for virtually > everything made in the last 20 years. Its use as an emergency driver > in virtual machines is more statistically significant, maybe, but even > there we usually have a drm driver these days, and where we don't we > can probably club it into bochs_drm since that's the only rom anyone > bothers to use for that. Do we have DRM drivers for the UEFI framebuffer and the standard QEMU-emulated graphics? -- Sincerely, Demi Marie Obenour (she/her/hers)
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