Indeed, HP (now HPE) first introduced UEFI support to their ProLiant
servers in the Gen8 series, which I believe was around 2013. While I
think the previous G7 servers have reached the end of their support
lifecycle (but are probably still happily running in some places), UEFI
has indeed been supported on some vendors’ server hardware for less than
ten years.
I also manage a desktop for a family member based on an AMD Phenom II X4
CPU and ASUS M4A88T-V EVO/USB3 motherboard. It was built at the very end
of 2010 with new upper-mid-range hardware, so it’s a bit over ten years
old. It doesn’t support UEFI. On the other hand, it’s a 3.4 GHz
quad-core platform and still extremely usable.
Until 2021, my primary computer was a circa-2007 desktop that did not
support UEFI. Again, with a Q6600 (2.4 GHz quad-core CPU) and a modern
SSD, it was more than usable. I elected to replace rather than repair it
after a power supply failure.
I can’t say I oppose this Change, because I can’t do anything to
mitigate the underlying reasons that it appears to be necessary. Still,
I agree that it will impact much newer and “better” hardware than some
people might have expected.
On 4/6/22 04:06, laolux laolux via devel wrote:
I have no strong opinion on this, and not much say anyways, but I thought I could share my little piece of info.
My currently one and only computer is a 2012 MSI GE60 0ND, with a core i7-3630QM, 16GB RAM and retrofitted with a SSD.
So I would say fast enough for using Fedora. At least according to notebookcheck.com the CPU is supposed to be faster than a rather recent Core i3-1110G4, which is still being used in new notebooks in 2022.
Unfortunately it only supports legacy BIOS, and not UEFI.
Thus I do not like the wording of the change proposal.
Fedora already requires a 2GHz dual core CPU at minimum (and therefore
mandates that machines must have been made after 2006). Like the
already accepted Fedora 37 change to retire ARMv7 support, the
hardware targeted tends to be rather underpowered by today’s
standards, and the world has moved on from it. Intel stopped shipping
the last vestiges of BIOS support in 2020 (as have other vendors, and
Apple and Microsoft), so this is clearly the way things are heading -
and therefore aligns with Fedora’s “First” objective.
This seems to imply that only rather old and weak hardware would be affected, when clearly the cutoff is (at maximum) only 10 years back.
Please don't get me wrong, I am perfectly fine about Fedora dropping "old" hardware, and I am willing to throw away my still working notebook, producing a little bit electronic waste when the time comes. But I think one should be more open and explicit about it.
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