On Wed, Feb 23, 2022 at 02:52:02PM +0100, Kamil Dudka wrote: > On Wednesday, February 23, 2022 10:22:00 AM CET Dmitry Belyavskiy wrote: > > Dear Kamil, > > > > On Wed, Feb 23, 2022 at 8:51 AM Kamil Dudka <kdudka@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote: > > > On Tuesday, February 22, 2022 10:50:06 PM CET Chris Adams wrote: > > > > Once upon a time, Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek <zbyszek@xxxxxxxxx> said: > > > > > Yes. But how many domains using idn are there? I worked on idn support > > > > > in systemd, but when preparing the description of this change I > > > > > > realized > > > > > > > > that I have _never_ once used an idn domain outside of testing. > > > > > > > > > > And note that this is not about user-facing programs like firefox. > > > > > I assume that there might be _some_ use of idn in firefox. But for > > > > > command-line tools like curl this seems even less likely. > > > > > > > > I'm pretty sure use of IDN domains is a regional thing. I live in the > > > > US and don't see IDN domains in my normal use. But dropping support for > > > > them from a core utility would be bad for those that live in regions > > > > where IDN domains may be more common. > > > > > > > > -- > > > > Chris Adams <linux@xxxxxxxxxxx> > > > > > > If this appears to be a real problem, it is easy for us to re-enable IDN > > > in libcurl-minimal, even in an update of a stable Fedora release. So I do > > > not think we need to enable it proactively. > > > > > > Being from Russia and having several years of interacting with Universal > > > > Acceptance, I'd say IDN is a must nowadays. > > To be clear, I am not completely against including IDN in libcurl-minimal. > On the other hand, we removed IDN from libcurl in ubi9 images in September > and nobody has complained about it so far: Is that really a good metric to evaluate against though ? All the minimal containers have generally thrown out anything related to i18n/l10n, leaving only support for the most basic C locale, in the name of saving image size. IOW loss of anything related to helping non-English/Western users is (unfortunately) accepted collatoral damage with containers, and IDN was just one cut of many in that area. I don't think it follows that it is OK to sacrifice IDN by default for all Fedora deliverables, because many others do still care about providing good i18n support to users. Regards, Daniel -- |: https://berrange.com -o- https://www.flickr.com/photos/dberrange :| |: https://libvirt.org -o- https://fstop138.berrange.com :| |: https://entangle-photo.org -o- https://www.instagram.com/dberrange :| _______________________________________________ devel mailing list -- devel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx To unsubscribe send an email to devel-leave@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/devel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Do not reply to spam on the list, report it: https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure
