Re: F37 Change: Curl-minimal as default (System-Wide Change proposal)

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On Wed, Feb 23, 2022 at 02:52:02PM +0100, Kamil Dudka wrote:
On Wednesday, February 23, 2022 10:22:00 AM CET Dmitry Belyavskiy wrote:
Dear Kamil,

On Wed, Feb 23, 2022 at 8:51 AM Kamil Dudka <kdudka@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> On Tuesday, February 22, 2022 10:50:06 PM CET Chris Adams wrote:
> > Once upon a time, Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek <zbyszek@xxxxxxxxx> said:
> > > Yes. But how many domains using idn are there? I worked on idn support
> > > in systemd, but when preparing the description of this change I
>
> realized
>
> > > that I have _never_ once used an idn domain outside of testing.
> > >
> > > And note that this is not about user-facing programs like firefox.
> > > I assume that there might be _some_ use of idn in firefox. But for
> > > command-line tools like curl this seems even less likely.
> >
> > I'm pretty sure use of IDN domains is a regional thing.  I live in the
> > US and don't see IDN domains in my normal use.  But dropping support for
> > them from a core utility would be bad for those that live in regions
> > where IDN domains may be more common.
>
> If this appears to be a real problem, it is easy for us to re-enable IDN
> in libcurl-minimal, even in an update of a stable Fedora release.  So I do
> not think we need to enable it proactively.
>
> Being from Russia and having several years of interacting with Universal

Acceptance, I'd say IDN is a must nowadays.

To be clear, I am not completely against including IDN in libcurl-minimal.
On the other hand, we removed IDN from libcurl in ubi9 images in September
and nobody has complained about it so far:

   https://bugzilla.redhat.com/1994521

Isn't this also a bit of chicken and egg problem? You can't really use IDN since tooling doesn't support it and tooling doesn't support it because nobody uses it.

I'll note that personally I have no need for IDN.
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