On Wed, 29 Dec 2021 at 16:16, Michel Alexandre Salim <salimma@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
On Wed, Dec 29, 2021 at 10:51:44AM -0500, Stephen John Smoogen wrote:
> Also please realise that the community can eat only so many changes per
> release no matter how much you want to otherwise. You can probably get this
> OR the fs-verity in some future release, but not both in the same release
> and trying to fight for both is going to mean you get neither. In fact, at
> a certain point too many changes start making it that any CR with certain
> names attached will get derailed because people are sure there is some sort
> of agenda or conspiracy which they have to fight to stop.
I'm not sure I understand this point. Chris is proposing this change,
and Neal and I listed because I volunteered to help him implement some of the
changes.
And Chris is not on the fs-verity change, and neither is Neal.
My apologies.. I lost track of who was on each of these, and I did not double check before posting. That is my fault 100%. I should have just said I have Change Fatigue with all the proposed changes and have left it at that.
I do hope everyone give each other the benefit of the doubt and not jump
to assuming there is a secret agenda or conspiracy afoot -- I see this
raised against the DIGLIM proposal too, at least once -- but if it helps
make it clear that there is no agenda being pushed, I'll take my name
off this change so there is no confusion.
My main issue is that people are seeing agenda's, and it isn't just the usual suspects of people who say NO to many changes. After rereading the changes to make sure I know who is on them, the main problem I am seeing is that there is nothing to sell why the standard Fedora contributor will want any of them in their OS. There is not even a 'Hey we did this already for this rebuild and you can play with it to see if it makes sense for you'. There does not seem to be any community involvement beforehand and nothing for people but to 'react against' the change. Add in the number of them and those reactions become looking for 'hidden' agendas etc.
All that said, this isn't the first time this has happened. It is the reason why various large changes usually require groups to sort of make a sample sausage for people to eat before they have to sit through watching the larger sausage made. Because we are all going to have to do that while any of these changes are working through the grinder.
Best regards,
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