Re: The great Mailman 3 / Hyperkitty upgrade: bumping flufl-lock and mistune?

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On Sun, 26 Dec 2021 at 23:32, Reon Beon via devel <devel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Update?
https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure/issue/8455


I am going to be overly blunt here. Messages like this do NOT help.
1. Most of the people who are paid to work on this are on break for 1/2 of December and some are taking off parts of January too. They are also NOT paid to only work on this, but mainly to help volunteers cover parts that volunteers run out of time to do. If there are no volunteers then those people paid are filling out many other jobs. In the many places Fedora has volunteers, the months of November, December, January, February are usually a lot of family time activities with various New Year and Soltice and other regional holidays.
2. Messages without extra contact sound like a Boss demanding status updates because they don't feel like they are getting enough work out of people. It instead demotivates the people working on it (whther they are a volunteer or a paid person) and makes them less inclined to a) give an update or b) actually finish the project.
3. This is a major project.
a) There are multiple python packages which need to be make into rpms which no one has done. These are packages which need dedicated volunteers on them to keep them up to date and working. This is about a month or 2 of work because packagers aren't a free resource.
b) Once those packages are built, then a staging instance needs to be deployed and the current databases imported into this. This is going to be a tricky problem and there will be multiple imports and blow away and redeploy because very few Databases travel well without some manual intervention. Once those those tricks are figured out..
c) you take down the live deployment and roll out the new deployment. You work out all the bugs and go live.

This is probably a 4 month project at best with a lot of time taken up with 'thinking about how to do this and stop pinging me so I can think'. If you want updates, ask for them to be put in the CPE weekly letter. The Project Managers who are working out what are priorities can then let you know where things are and if this is getting attention or if the 9000 other pieces of infrastructure that break regularly took over.
 

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