On Wed, 2021-12-01 at 09:29 -0600, Brandon Nielsen wrote: > On 11/29/21 1:33 PM, Ben Cotton wrote: > > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/Users_are_admins_by_default_in_Anaconda > > > > = Users are administrators by default in the installer GUI = > > > > == Summary == > > > > The Anaconda installer GUI will have the administrative rights > > checkbox on the User screen ticked by default. > > > > == Owner == > > > > * Name: [[User:Vladimirslavik| Vladimir Slavik]] > > * Email: vslavik@xxxxxxxxxx > > > > > > == Detailed Description == > > > > Currently, the Anaconda installer GUI presents an unticked checkbox > > "Make this user administrator" on the user setup screen by default. > > This means users have to discover the control, understand its > > meaning, > > and consciously decide to change the value from the default one. > > > > [Snip] > > I find this wording confusing, and I've been using Linux for at least > 15 > years now. I think if we're making changes to reduce user confusion > we > may want to change the wording as well? > > Perhaps a better wording would be "Grant user administrator > privileges > (allow sudo)"? Something to make it clear the resulting user isn't > root, > but can act as root. I think being able to use sudo is not the only user visible thing - IIRC it will also ask for your password to unlock some configuration screens or to confirm some forms of package installation/updates. So non-CLI Fedora users might not actually know what "sudo" means, while they might understand the administrator privileges concept. > > I had always assumed the "Make this user administrator" checkbox > meant > the created user would effectively _be_ root, just with a different > username. AFAIK it always added the user to the wheel group. AFAIK there is just one special root account and you can't change its username. > > After playing with yesterday's KDE rawhide compose, I boldly decided > to > check the box. Apparently what it really means is the created user is > a > member of the wheel group and can use sudo. This also appears to > disable > the root user spoke in Anaconda. AFAIK it is not disabled - just not required to be configured before installation can be started. It should still be possible to configure both user & root accounts from the Anaconda GUI - we just want to emphasize user with admin privileges as the default. > The resulting install fixes one of my > biggest gripes with the KDE spin. So I say the checking it by default > part of the change proposal is great! Why was I not checking this all > along? My guess is historic inertia. ;-) > As mentioned in the change proposal this basically matches what > happens with the user gnome-initial-setup creates so it's a > consistency > win as well. Yep, that was one of the motivations/validations for this change. > _______________________________________________ > devel mailing list -- devel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx > To unsubscribe send an email to devel-leave@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx > Fedora Code of Conduct: > https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ > List Guidelines: > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines > List Archives: > https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/devel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx > Do not reply to spam on the list, report it: > https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure _______________________________________________ devel mailing list -- devel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx To unsubscribe send an email to devel-leave@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/devel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Do not reply to spam on the list, report it: https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure
