Re: F36 Change: ostree native containers / CoreOS layering (System-Wide Change proposal)

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On Tue, Nov 23, 2021, at 4:28 PM, James Cassell wrote:

> Will things be slower than native ostree?

The only thing that will be less efficient is wire transfer as of right now.  But we're going to be working on that.

> I've got no problem with the capability being added, but I do wonder, 
> Why not rojig, aka native RPMs plus a special metadata RPM, aka jigdo 
> for ostree? 

Ah yes.  I spent like 2 solid months working on all that only to have it not actually be used...

So backing up a level, really the question is:  What is the "center of gravity"?  Is it rpms, or ostree, or containers?  This Change isn't answering that question decisively, but it is a large move closer to OCI/Docker containers.

> We've already got great RPM infrastructure. Plus we could 
> get rid of countme.timer and instead ride the rpm-md connection like 
> the RPM-based variants do.

Mmm, I don't see a big problem with having a distinct rpm-ostree-countme.timer, it's not a lot of code.

But your reply is so far skipping over really the biggest change: making it a first class operation to build *derived* images using any Docker/OCI build system.  For a lot of people that will be Dockerfile, but if you follow the CoreOS proposal we are actively discussing a more declarative/intelligent frontend.
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