On Wed, Nov 17, 2021 at 03:49:55AM +0100, Kevin Kofler via devel wrote: > Users are going to miss the iwconfig tool. Not only is it still being used > out of habit (just like ifconfig from net-tools), but (also just like > ifconfig) it is also much more user-friendly. E.g., running "iwconfig" > without arguments prints a nice summary of the wireless devices and their > properties, such as access point ESSID and BSSID, bit rate, signal level, > etc., whereas running "iw" without arguments prints a 132-line help output > with around a hundred different commands (with no explanation as to what > they do, as that would require even more than 132 lines: the --help output > is 445 lines long). "iw" also exposes implementation details in the most > unfriendly way, by requiring the user to use "dev <devname>", "phy > <phyname>", "wdev <idx>", or "reg" prefixes depending on the individual > command (and it is entirely unclear to the user why something is a dev > property, a phy property, or both), whereas "iwconfig" takes the same > interface name for all commands. > > The new ip, iw, and route tools have clearly been designed by kernel > developers for kernel developers, not for end users or even system > administrators. The old ifconfig and iwconfig are much easier to use. The same applies for nft and ss ;) Those tools are supposed to be the future, but using them feels as if the people who wrote them never used them. Dunno, maybe we can keep wireless-tools package? Is it a burden to keep in the distro? Zbyszek _______________________________________________ devel mailing list -- devel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx To unsubscribe send an email to devel-leave@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/devel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Do not reply to spam on the list, report it: https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure
