On Tue, Nov 16, 2021 at 08:34:07AM +0000, Ahmed Almeleh wrote: > I agree that the ARMv7 architecture is in decline and echo the opinion > of Zbigniew > that the user base will be very low once the EOL for F36 falls. > > Overall I think it is best to remove the ARMv7 architecture. It may also > make it easier to push advanced features into new releases quicker. > > On Tue, 16 Nov 2021 at 08:02, Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek <zbyszek@xxxxxxxxx> > wrote: > > > On Mon, Nov 15, 2021 at 02:15:49PM -0500, Ben Cotton wrote: > > > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/RetireARMv7 > > > > > > == Owner == > > > * Name: [[User:pbrobinson| Peter Robinson]] > > > * Email: <pbrobinson@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> > > > > > > == Detailed Description == > > > > > > The ARMv7 arm architecture was the second variant of the arm > > > architecture that Fedora has supported, the first was ARMv5, the third > > > is aarch64. The proposal is to retire ARMv7 as part of the Fedora 37 > > > release. This will allow ARMv7/armhfp to be supported until the Fedora > > > 36 end of life in around June 2023. > > > > > > Overall arm32 is generally waning with generally few new ARMv7 devices > > > added to Fedora in recent releases. To add to that a number of newer > > > Fedora features designed to improve speed and security of the Fedora > > > release are causing 32 bit architectures in general primarily due to > > > > "issues" or "problems" seems to be missing in this sentence. > > > > > the process memory limit when linking large applications. The > > > ARMv7/armhfp is the last fully supported 32 bit architecture, we still > > > currently build i686 packages, but it's not shipped as artefacts. > > > > "it's" → "they are"? > > > > > == User Experience == > > > Any current users of Fedora on ARMv7 devices won't be able to upgrade > > > to Fedora 37, they will have to stay on Fedora 36 until it's EOL. > > > > Please add "and will have to retire the hardware or move to a different > > distribution afterwards". Explicit is good. > > > > > == Release Notes == > > > > > > Fedora Linux 37 with the ARMv7 architecture is retired into the > > > sunset. There will definitely be celebrations, there will likely be > > > some that shed some tears! Overall for the maintainers it will likely > > > be seen as a net win, for the few, generally shrinking, users it's > > > probably a net loss but they can probably just go and buy a Raspberry > > > Pi Zero 2W for US$15. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ > > > > Based on the countme graphs that mattdm has been showing, the fraction > > on arm32 systems is very very small. And arm32 has been a drag on > > maintainer resources, with the slow builds and timeouts. Dropping the > > arch will not be without some pain for the people using those boards, > > but I think it's the right thing to do for the distro. And the whole > > thing will happen more then a year from now, and by that time the > > number of those arm32 boards will be even lower. Images from mattdm's brontosaurifier are attached. It seems that the fall of arm32 happened even earlier, there are significantly fewer arm32 systems updating F33 than F32. Zbyszek P.S. I'm not sure if the attachments will make it through, so the plots are also at https://in.waw.pl/~zbyszek/fedora/fedora-updates-waffle-arch-for-release-32-all.svg https://in.waw.pl/~zbyszek/fedora/fedora-updates-waffle-arch-for-release-33-all.svg https://in.waw.pl/~zbyszek/fedora/fedora-updates-waffle-arch-for-release-34-all.svg https://in.waw.pl/~zbyszek/fedora/fedora-updates-waffle-arch-for-release-35-all.svg _______________________________________________ devel mailing list -- devel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx To unsubscribe send an email to devel-leave@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/devel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Do not reply to spam on the list, report it: https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure
