Marius Schwarz wrote: > Am 14.10.21 um 22:09 schrieb Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek: >> I think that those numbers (20GB+2GB) are quite reasonable for the >> stated purpose of "install and run successfully". I think that people > The smallest device Fedora runs on, will propably be the Pinephone. > > ATM..it has 3 GB Ram and a 32 GB storage. A 20 GB base install + taking > journald logsizes into account, > gives 8 GB of usable space. > > I think any new reevaluation of "minimum" should really take mobil > devices into account. I think that what really needs to happen is that we stop just accepting and shrugging off that these requirements keep growing over time, all the time. If you compare with the requirements of Fedora Core 1: https://fedoramagazine.org/celebrate-fifteen-years-fedora/ the minimum RAM requirement has increased by a factor of more than 10 (compared to the minimum for graphical installation – there was also the Anaconda text mode that required 32 times less memory! And once installed, it was actually possible to use graphical desktop environments to some extent with even that). Disk space requirements have also increased around tenfold (8.33 times if you compare the current "Fedora Workstation" to the old "Workstation", 10.53 times if you compare it to the old "Personal Desktop"). There are several contexts in which bloat is a problem: older hardware, mobile devices, cloud servers, etc., but also simply for the time it takes to download an ISO. Unfortunately, most of the minimization efforts we had so far were focused only on one specific use case (mostly the cloud one) and relied on hacks completely stripping out functionality that other use cases need. Even as far as deleting the RPM database, which is an option only for a throwaway cloud image that never gets updated in place (i.e., a new image gets built instead). I still remember how Red Hat Linux and (IIRC) Fedora Core 1 could be booted from a floppy (older Red Hat Linux releases even had a fully functioning rescue mode on the floppy, later ones could at least still boot a HDD install from the boot floppy, which is how I installed them, and in that way also boot the rescue mode). These days, the minimum boot image (know known as the netinst ISO) barely fits on a CD, and in Fedora 33 even exceeded CD size (https://pagure.io/minimization/issue/23). The Fedora 34 netinst image is still 450 times the size of a floppy! Kevin Kofler _______________________________________________ devel mailing list -- devel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx To unsubscribe send an email to devel-leave@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/devel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Do not reply to spam on the list, report it: https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure
