On Thu, Sep 30, 2021 at 11:17 AM Mikolaj Izdebski <mizdebsk@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote: > > On Wed, Sep 29, 2021 at 1:51 PM Miro Hrončok <mhroncok@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote: > > Since the @java-maint-sig group is esentially non-responsive, I suggest we do > > the following: > > Thanks for making this distinction - @java-maint-sig group is not the > same as Java SIG. > Some of the most active members of Java SIG (like me or OpenJDK > maintainers) are not > (and never were) members of @java-maint-sig. That's true. The "old" Java SIG was never properly set up as a FAS group. Its Wiki page has contained obsolete information for *years*, and the list of members there hasn't been accurate for years, either. On the other hand, you were explicitly welcome to join the newly set up group, which you never bothered to do, since you were pretending that Modularity will solve all of humanity's problems, and obviously preferred to work alone, never offering help or feedback, unless *maybe* when explicitly asked. Now that modules won't solve Java packaging either, you're back, and bad-mouthing all the work the SIG did while it was active to keep the shit from hitting the fan while you were AWOL, which I find a bit rich. I am sorry for having delayed this seeminly inevitable end for Java packages in Fedora by three years. It looks like the time and energy I invested into the effort of keeping Java packages alive in Fedora were in vain. This will be my *last* ML post on this topic. I will no longer participate in any Java-related discussions, for the sake of my own (mental and physical) health. Goodbye. > > 1) We remove all BZ assignee overrides to @java-maint-sig. This is a must. > > 2) We remove access of @java-maint-sig from all packages. > > 3) We ask the members of the group if they want to admin the list/BZ account. > > 3a) We give it to the volunteer. > > 3b) We empty the group and cancel the BZ account/list if nobody shows up. > > 4) We *don't orphan the packages*, they have some "de jure" maintainers. > > +1 That is a good plan. > > Several months ago I demoted @java-maint-sig from admin to committer > for all packages I am primary maintainer of, and I was considering > demoting it further to collaborator or ticket level, or removing > altogether as I my packages did not receive any contribution from the > group for the past months, except for a couple PRs that don't require > direct access to the packages. > > -- > Mikolaj Izdebski > > > > > The packages that fail to install and/or build will eventually die out due to > > the existing processes. > > > > -- > > Miro Hrončok > > -- > > Phone: +420777974800 > > IRC: mhroncok > > _______________________________________________ > > devel mailing list -- devel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx > > To unsubscribe send an email to devel-leave@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx > > Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ > > List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines > > List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/devel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx > > Do not reply to spam on the list, report it: https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure > _______________________________________________ devel mailing list -- devel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx To unsubscribe send an email to devel-leave@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/devel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Do not reply to spam on the list, report it: https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure
