On 5/28/21 12:14 PM, Adam Williamson wrote:
On Fri, 2021-05-28 at 12:01 -0400, PGNet Dev wrote:
On 5/27/21 2:04 PM, Nick Bebout wrote:
Since its beginnings, the Fedora Project has used the freenode IRC network for our project communications. Due to a variety of recent changes to that network, the Fedora Project is moving our IRC communications to Libera.Chat.
If a still-fuzzy "variety of recent changes to that network" are the reason for this latest fire-drill/tempest, then just fyi,
A Lee's provided some documented reply,
https://raw.githubusercontent.com/freenode/web-7.0/main/static/files/on-freenode.pdf
https://freenode.net/news/post-mortem-may21
To my read it doesn't seem as clear-cut as some are making it all out to be. If 'trust' is the underlying issue here, there seems to be enuf not passing the smell test on 'both sides'.
IME, projects want a place to talk that's trustworthy.
Freenode has also shut down every channel that posted a libera.chat
link in its topic. That's not very 'trustworthy'. This happened to
multiple Fedora-related projects/channels, including #cockpit , for
instance.
Sure. And, what? Not the 1st time projects have acted on "don't talk about other projects in here" ...
Did anyone try to contact @freenode about that? I certainly dunno about that. Maybe so, maybe not.
Just reading through those screenshotted chats, etc, seems 2 me there's enough "shouldn't have handled it that way" to go around.
I'm not 'defending' _any_ purile/petty/powermad/etc. BS.
I'm jut fyi'ing here, in the hopes that folks will make / have made an informed decision -- and pick-their-poison, and not simply to the lemmings-off-a-cliff biz cuz, "hey, it's the new hotness".
If it's all thoroughly researched, understood, and rationally decided, then I'm certainly cool with it.
All _I_ heard was some buzz in #fedora* @ freenode a week or so back that "moving fast/immediately is too hard, and would be too disruptive to users", and then suddenly, this^^ email.
Beyond that, not a clue as to what discussion was had. Not that it's "my project" to begin with, so few expectations 'bout that in the 1st place.
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