Hi, Workstation working group discussed this at a recent meeting, and reached no decision. There's general agreement that a time based limitation should apply rather than disk usage limit, to make the retention more predictable. I think this can work by default for all Fedora editions and spins. Consider this a pre-change proposal for Fedora 35. Summary of the current behaviors: * Fedora Server, minimally configured from out of the box, the current 4G limit translates into ~60 months of journal retention. * Fedora Workstation, out of the box, the same 4G limit translates into ~12 months of journal retention. * In practice, max used space retention limit has a large range of implied retention time, depending on the configuration. * rsyslog+logrotate are in editions and spins using @standard, which is pretty much all except Workstation edition. Logrotate's default policy is a 4 week retention before logs are purged. This is also used at least since RHEL 7 with the same default. About journald.conf's MaxRetentionSec= "This controls whether journal files containing entries older than the specified time span are deleted." That is, once a journal file contains an entry older than the specified time, the entire file is purged. Journal files can grow up to 128M, however MaxFileSec= defaults to 1 month, so a journal file shouldn't contain more than one month of entries. A single change to 'MaxRetentionSec=6month' combined with other existing defaults, means a max of 5-6 months of journal entries. To get systemd-journald more like the rsyslog+logrotate default, 'MaxRetentionSec=5week' and 'MaxFileSec=1week'. That would permit a float of 4-5 weeks, tending to be closer to 4 weeks. My take is that probably most folks are a bit surprised by the logrotate 4 week default, and prefer a longer retention time. And yet they still want something more consistent and shorter than the present defaults. While there are other possibilities, 6 months is both more consistent and shorter than today, and longer than the 4 week logrotate default. Per the language in man pages, my working assumption is all Max limits are in effect. If any Max value is busted, vacuuming is triggered. If anyone knows differently, now would be a good time to know! -- Chris Murphy _______________________________________________ devel mailing list -- devel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx To unsubscribe send an email to devel-leave@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/devel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Do not reply to spam on the list, report it: https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure
