On Fri, 18 Dec 2020 at 02:27, Japheth Cleaver <cleaver@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: > > On 12/17/2020 3:59 PM, Matthew Miller wrote: > > On Fri, Dec 18, 2020 at 12:51:49AM +0100, clime wrote: > > This change proposal does affect users. The User Experience section > needs to answer the following: > > Well, the users here are still packagers here no? I thought the "User" > in the title means "end user" who shouldn't be affected by it. Maybe > Ben can clarify this. > > It _is_ meant to refer to end users, but we have a lot of highly technical > end users and sysadmins who might want to download and build source RPMs. So > the answers to these questions seem like reasonable things to add. > > > They can use mock if the preprocessing will be enabled for the > respective chroots where it is enabled in Koji/Fedora. > They can't directly use rpmbuild for those packages that contain the > macros. But they can use rpkg/fedpkg to do the work. > Or preprocess spec first and then use rpmbuild. I am aware this is a > negative point of this change. > While having an option to use rpmbuild directly to build srpm/rpm from > a dist-git repo is nice, I would say that fedpkg or mock are the main > interfaces to do this. > I know this answer won't satisfy everyone. > > > Not to mention the many folks who use Fedora .src.rpms as a starting point for EL-derivatives, or other RPM-based distros. Every time a Rawhide (or Fedora) SRPM fails to compile because of a non-backwards-compatible change, another frustrated sysadmin sheds a single tear. > > Deprecating rpmbuild is a major change. I wouldn't call it "deprecating rpmbuild". That's certainly not at all my intention. As a side-point, I think the cases where bare rpmbuild is used to build an rpm/srpm from a dist-git repo are rather limited because you probably need to first download sources from lookaside cache so you probably need fedpkg/rpkg/centpkg/rfpkg or a similar dedicated tool. These tools then offer the `srpm` and `local` commands so It would make sense to rather use these commands or mock for subsequent srpm/rpm building. > > -jc > > _______________________________________________ > devel mailing list -- devel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx > To unsubscribe send an email to devel-leave@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx > Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ > List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines > List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/devel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx _______________________________________________ devel mailing list -- devel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx To unsubscribe send an email to devel-leave@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/devel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
