On Sun, 22 Nov 2020 11:12:57 -0500 Solomon Peachy <pizza@xxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: > On Sun, Nov 22, 2020 at 03:42:05PM +0000, Gargoyle wrote: > > - Available for testing from F33 onwards. > > - Default in F34 with compatibility library. > > It needs to be readily available for testing in F(n-1) for a complete > release cycle before it can be made the default in F(n). Totally agree. This is the minimum standard by which this change should be evaluated. A few test days for rawhide are woefully inadequate. > This is _very_ important to get right. Folks are still trashing > Pulse Audio (and its creator) *to this day* for Ubuntu's half-assed > PA integration from over a decade ago. Exactly. I hope the pipewire authors and advocates are smart enough to learn from this. If not them, then FESCO. > FFS, most of the software I use today doesn't even use PA directly; > it uses ALSA, which gets routed to PA via an ALSA plugin. > Compatibility APIs must me maintained nearly indefinitely! FWIW, I bypass pulseaudio and use ALSA directly for software that benefits from low-level access to the sound device: Audacity, Kodi, and MythTV. Jim _______________________________________________ devel mailing list -- devel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx To unsubscribe send an email to devel-leave@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/devel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx