Re: F34 Change proposal: Debug Info Standardization (from DWZ to -fdebug-types-section) (System-Wide Change proposal)

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On Fri, 25 Sep 2020 13:43:40 +0200, Neal Gompa wrote:
> On Fri, Sep 25, 2020 at 7:26 AM Ryan <ryan@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> >
> > > == Benefit to Fedora ==
> > > * Better compatibility with existing debugging and tracing tools,
> > > primarily [https://lldb.llvm.org/ LLDB].
> >
> > Thanks for your work on this Ben and Jan, Just as an interested user, use
> > of the DWZ format significantly limits Swift development on Fedora, as it
> > is impossible to debug with LLDB when using system libraries.

Currently you can use my off-trunk patchset build:
	dnf copr enable jankratochvil/lldb;dnf install lldb-experimental;lldb-experimental


> But that's fixable since there's a patchset to make LLDB understand
> dwz, which was not submitted upstream for unstated reasons.

The reasons are stated in other mails, re-stating here:
 * the support of DWZ is complicated for effective DWARF consumers like LLDB
 * the same DWZ size reduction can be achieved just by removing dead DIEs
   and -fdebug-types-section skeletons - not needing any DWZ nor DWZ support
   in consumers at all
 * the LLDB DWZ support is now scatterd across the LLDB DWARF codebase for
   every DIE type so it will require continuous maintenance during LLDB
   development from RH; Google+Apple will probably never use DWZ themselves.
 * the LLDB DWZ support is currently implemented in LLDB DWARF/ but LLDB
   is going to replace its DWARF code to clang's DWARF code which will then
   require rewriting the LLDB DWZ code from scratch


Jan
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