On Saturday, July 11, 2020 2:36:04 PM MST Neal Gompa wrote: > There's a difference between half-baked and a roadmap of incremental > improvement. This Change is an example of the latter. If anything, > your fanciful and speculative conjecture has done only harm for your > credibility. You continue to attack and lambast every change proposed > for the past few cycles, On the contrary, I've only been against Changes that I've considered to be harmful to Fedora. There have been a surprisingly high number of those this release cycle, but that doesn't mean that that I'm against all Changes. > and you provide no useful alternatives. The alternative to this would be.. not enabling EarlyOOM, which will kill our users' processes needlessly. > Additionally, you continue to insult our intelligence by assuming we > haven't done our homework and attack the Workstation working group for > doing a lot of legwork to try to solve very real problems that users > see. I'm sorry if it came off that way, but that wasn't the intention. > With respect to EarlyOOM, I *wanted* to introduce this to all desktop > variants at the same time last cycle, but the amount of research and > effort we spent to figure out what we should even *do* meant that > there was no time to do any coordination work last cycle to bring this > everywhere. The evidence from user reports and reviews has been clear: > Fedora 32 Workstation Edition had a phenomenal user experience > improvement in terms of desktop responsiveness over its predecessors > as well as many of its counterparts that released at the same time by > our fellow Linux distribution communities. Much of the work we're > doing for Fedora 33 and beyond is a continuation of that effort. The real question is whether or not EarlyOOM has anything to do with this "phenomenal user experience", which seems unlikely. Generally, users' processes getting killed isn't a good thing. > My personal mission is to bring all the improvements we've done to the > Linux desktop experience in Fedora Workstation to at least Fedora KDE, > if not all Fedora desktop variants. And where it makes sense, I will > attempt to bring these improvements to *all* Fedora variants. That sounds like an excellent idea, but I'm not convinced that killing users' processes, while there's still tons of memory free available, is actually an improvement. -- John M. Harris, Jr. _______________________________________________ devel mailing list -- devel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx To unsubscribe send an email to devel-leave@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/devel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
