Re: Fedora 33 System-Wide Change proposal: Make btrfs the default file system for desktop variants

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On Sat, Jun 27, 2020 at 6:47 PM Stasiek Michalski <stasiek@xxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>
> > On Sat, 2020-06-27 at 22:59 +0000, Stasiek Michalski wrote:
> >
> > (Hi LCP I hope life is good)
> > That's great to hear, just a few questions.
> > Lately, how would you rate that in number of years?
>
> The change to partitioning occurred in November of 2018 iirc, so it's
> over 1.5 years
>
> > While you seem to have pulled through, would you say the switch btrfs
> > as default has been painful?
>
> Oh yeah, it was a nightmare. If you plan on using ancient Kernels, you
> will not have a particularly great time with certain btrfs features
> either. The initial switch happened in 2014, and at the time, and the
> lack of confidence showed itself through the choice of secondary
> filesystem for /home. However, the reputation has been more problematic
> than the filesystem I feel like, since every single problem with the low
> level stuff was attributed to btrfs for so many years now

I wonder to what degree some of the problems, especially enospc bugs,
were exacerbated by a somewhat small root for btrfs combined with a
fairly aggressive snapshotting regime by default? I agree with the
"shoot the messenger" problem with btrfs. It's a victim of its own
design: reports the facts, but doesn't assign blame.

> I'm happier the users have less issues

Agreed. What do you think are the biggest remaining issues you have
with btrfs? Or even not directly btrfs, but side effects that are
still unresolved? Any desktop integration issues that stand out in
particular?

-- 
Chris Murphy
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