On 26 June 2020 21:04:00 CEST, Michael Catanzaro <mcatanzaro@xxxxxxxxx> wrote: >On Fri, Jun 26, 2020 at 8:45 pm, Markus Larsson <qrsbrwn@xxxxxxxxxx> >wrote: >> I strongly agree. BTRFS has been 5 years from production ready for >> almost a decade now, please don't force this on users that doesn't >> know any better. > >This is hard to square with the fact that it's already being used in >production on millions of systems. It's also hard to square with the >data presented by Josef -- the only hard evidence I've seen on the >topic of filesystem reliability -- which shows btrfs is an order of >magnitude more reliable than xfs (although we don't know how it >compares to ext4). Surely if xfs is good enough for RHEL, and btrfs is >at least 10x more reliable than xfs, that suggests btrfs should >probably be good enough for Fedora? > >Do you have any real evidence for your claim that would be more >convincing than what Josef has presented? Josef's server parks is a bit of a different use case than laptops as other people has already pointed out. If you want data on how it works in a desktop/laptop scenario talk to openSUSE users about how many times the "btrfs randomly ate my volume"-bug was "fixed". When I ran an environment of about 4500 SLES and about 5000 RHEL servers btrfs failed about 3 times as often as xfs (this from our own in-house statistics). That was 3 years ago but filesystems takes long to mature and I have been keeping ear near openSUSE to see where it goes. Is this as big as Josef's environment? No but it is first hand data to me (to you it is of course just anecdotal evidence) BTRFS has the potential to become great, I just think it isn't there yet and it'll take 5 years of smooth sailing to convince me. > >_______________________________________________ >devel mailing list -- devel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx >To unsubscribe send an email to devel-leave@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx >Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ >List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines >List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/devel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx _______________________________________________ devel mailing list -- devel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx To unsubscribe send an email to devel-leave@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/devel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
