On Fri, 2020-06-26 at 12:39 -0400, Neil Horman wrote: > > Also, have we asked the question, what default editor are other distros setting? > I've honestly never looked. The Change page says "More in line with the default editor of other distributions." But it doesn't give more detail, so I did a bit of research! Ubuntu's default is nano, per various search results. openSUSE's (I tested the Leap 15.1 GNOME live image) is...mostly vi, though this is implemented some other way than $EDITOR, because `echo $EDITOR` shows nothing. `visudo` and `git commit` run vi, but `systemctl edit` runs nano. Not sure what's going on there. At least as of 2015, Arch considered changing to nano but stuck with vi, though one of their key arguments at the time was "everyone else uses vi", and it seems the issue was slightly complicated by the question of what packages would or wouldn't be in their 'core': https://lists.archlinux.org/pipermail/arch-dev-public/2015-April/027133.html As of 2019 it still seems to be vi: https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?id=245675 Mint's default seems to be nano, though like openSUSE, it is doing this some way other than by setting $EDITOR. So, it's a bit of a mixed bag, overall. But Ubuntu and Mint both using nano is pretty significant. > > Don't focus on git. It's not just about git. git was just a convenient > > example of something that launches the default text editor. > > > Sure, we can substitue any other tool here that has to fork an editor from the > command line, and some of those will be far more in line with what a novice > non-developer might use. I just think for those users, nano likely isn't going > to move the needle much, and I'm not sure how many of those users Fedora gets, > or looses on this point. I know we can't really get that data, but it sure > would be great to have. > > > > So the user you are describing > > > > > > 1) Isn't skilled in command line usage > > > 2) Chose to use the command line anyway, despite having a littany of IDE's > > > available > > > 3) Was sufficiently well versed in development process to chose to use an SCM, > > > and to search for commands to work with it (setting asside their lack of > > > understanding of what they were doing) > > > 4) But wasn't sufficiently well versed enough to go back and find out how to use > > > the editor that their scm choice chose to default to > > > > > > I just don't see that that person really exists. > > > > There are literally multiple people in the thread telling you this > > literally happened to them or to people they know who asked them for > > help. I am one of them. > I think thats an overstatement. If it isnt, I apologize, but I really have a hard > time believing that they comply with 1-3 (those are entirely believable), but > then threw their hands up in the air when confronted with a window that they > could sort of edit text in. As shown above, typing "I typed <x> in and this > wierd screen poped up that I could kind of edit" into google answered that > question in the top result. Sure, like I wrote elsewhere in the thread, it's probably less of a complete roadblock than it used to be. But it's still an unnecessary pain point. Yes, people can probably get through it in fifteen minutes these days, but it's still unnecessarily annoying. Why cause them the trouble? -- Adam Williamson Fedora QA Community Monkey IRC: adamw | Twitter: AdamW_Fedora | XMPP: adamw AT happyassassin . net http://www.happyassassin.net _______________________________________________ devel mailing list -- devel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx To unsubscribe send an email to devel-leave@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/devel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
