On 26 June 2020 13:39:46 CEST, Sergio Belkin <sebelk@xxxxxxxxx> wrote: >El vie., 26 jun. 2020 a las 8:10, Ankur Sinha (<sanjay.ankur@xxxxxxxxx>) >escribió: > >> On Thu, Jun 25, 2020 23:38:13 +0200, Jan Kratochvil wrote: >> > On Thu, 25 Jun 2020 21:21:37 +0200, Chris Adams wrote: >> > > I'm not sure why you think end-users can't use a free OS. >> > >> > First steps of end-users is to install Chrome, Spotify and VirtualBox. >> > So there is left no advantage of a Free OS. >> >> That's anecdotal generalisation at best. I know enough people to >> disprove this statement using my set of anecdotal evidence---and it >> won't get us any where. >> >> We are a FOSS community and we will keep promoting FOSS as much as >> we can. It is our First Foundation: >> https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/ >> >> So, let's keep the discussion on topic: about the default editor. >> >> -- >> Thanks, >> Regards, >> Ankur Sinha "FranciscoD" (He / Him / His) | >> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Ankursinha >> Time zone: Europe/London >> _______________________________________________ >> devel mailing list -- devel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx >> To unsubscribe send an email to devel-leave@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx >> Fedora Code of Conduct: >> https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ >> List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines >> List Archives: >> https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/devel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx >> > >Again, I'm not against the proposal, but I would prefer a better and sane >discussion. >Honestly most end users dislike the CLI. >However I understand that discussion is not about "what is my preferred >editor?". >I understand that discussion is "if by chance an end user has to use CLI, >he/she will not know what/how to do with vim". >In such a case nano is easier (regardless that the argument about how hard >is quitting vim is exaggerated, Ctrl+o is not easier that ZZ). >A better for a newcomer that faces cli would be something like mcedit, but >sadly it is not a standalone editor. >But please, again, most end users prefer to use a gui editor. Is not about >that a newcomer has to know **what** is KWrite/Kate/Gedit/etc, it's about >that choices are of easy access through KDE/GNOME/MATE/XFce/etc graphical >environments. > > I think this is more a discussion about target groups. As far as I understand Fedora is aimed at everyone end users, devs, sysadmins and others alike. While I recognize that helping new users onboard is a good thing it seems that more often than not it is at the inconvenience of the not new. This particular issue is very small but part of a trend, it seems. The workstation installer, gnome and other seems to be arguing in the same way. The needs of new hypothetical users why does not want to learn and/or despises having to use a CLI is more important than the needs of the existing userbase. I think we can find a much better way of being welcoming to new users. One that fits those who just wants to edit some text and those who care about what they use. I like to think that I am part of everyone and I would love if we could deliver smart solutions that doesn't needlessly change default behaviour under the guise "advanced users will know how to configure this". BR Markus _______________________________________________ devel mailing list -- devel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx To unsubscribe send an email to devel-leave@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/devel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
