On Thu, Jun 25, 2020 at 08:50:23PM +0200, Jan Kratochvil wrote: > This is another step trying to make Fedora end-user friendly while the > only effect is making it hostile to developers. As Fedora will never be > used by end-users as it conflicts with Fedora's foundation Freedom. With > each such step it takes more and more effort to make a new Fedora > installation usable by a developer (setenforce 0, dnf remove > bash-completion, remove rhgb quiet etc.). Fedora, the Project, has a lot of developers involved. Some of us are interested in making things just for our own use -- that's fine. Others are very interested in making solutions that are actually used by these end-users -- and it turns out they're reasonably successful, because we actually *have* plenty of non-developer end users. But, if you don't like our offerings that are targetted that way, I suggest you make a spin or remix that has all of defaults _you_ want. Make it appeal to the specific developer audience you have in mind with the things that make sense to you, and see who else is interested in collaborating on it. -- Matthew Miller <mattdm@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> Fedora Project Leader _______________________________________________ devel mailing list -- devel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx To unsubscribe send an email to devel-leave@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/devel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx