On Thu, Jun 25, 2020 at 12:50 PM Jan Kratochvil <jan.kratochvil@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote: > > On Thu, 25 Jun 2020 19:18:59 +0200, Ben Cotton wrote: > > In contrast, Nano offers the kind of graphical text editing experience > > that people are used to, > > This is another step trying to make Fedora end-user friendly while the only > effect is making it hostile to developers. This is hyperbole. All of the working group members are developers and the change was approved +9 to -1. The idea the vast majority of the working group wants to make Fedora hostile to themselves is nonsense. I use vi out of habit (I learned it when I was young and in college ... and I'll skip the rest of the story) not because I like it. It's almost a comedy show if you haven't already been indoctrinated. I never recommend it. It would be like recommending teletype, which by the way is a neat skill to have, but to make it the default everywhere? Come on. A better strategy is to appeal to the broader community that in fact vim users really need it to be the default editor because changing the default is harder than figuring out how to quit vim. >As Fedora will never be used by> end-users as it conflicts with Fedora's foundation Freedom. With each such > step it takes more and more effort to make a new Fedora installation usable by > a developer (setenforce 0, dnf remove bash-completion, remove rhgb quiet etc.). dnf remove bash-completion makes Fedora *more* usable? :head explodes: -- Chris Murphy _______________________________________________ devel mailing list -- devel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx To unsubscribe send an email to devel-leave@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/devel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx