Re: subtle issue with systemd, dnf 'greedy' obsoletes behaviour, and multiple repos

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Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek wrote:
> On Mon, Jun 01, 2020 at 02:10:12PM -0700, Adam Williamson wrote:
>> Another factor here is that DNF's behaviour when multiple different
>> available packages obsolete an installed package on update is 'greedy'.
>> If 'bar', 'moo' and 'meep' all obsolete 'foo' and are available on
>> update, DNF will try to install *all three*. This is intentional and
>> necessary when e.g. a package is split in two and we want both the new
>> packages to be installed in place of the old one. (If it's just
>> multiple available versions of the *same* package that all obsolete an
>> installed package, DNF will simply try to select the newest one as part
>> of the update, which is fine).
> 
> I think this "greedy" behaviour is correct: we rely on this to allow
> package splits. There was some discussion whether dnf is in the wrong
> here, but it seems to be doing everything correctly.

The greediness is correct:
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1261034

The fact that Obsoletes from outdated packages are being considered is the 
bug:
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1748187
but the DNF developers refused to acknowledge this and just closed the bug 
when the issue was worked around in the font package somehow.

But this:

Adam Williamson wrote:
> I was worried that if you had u2f-hidraw-policy and systemd installed,
> but not systemd-udev, this Obsoletes: might lead to systemd-udev
> getting installed on upgrade. However, it does not seem to: DNF is
> happy just updating systemd to 245-6.1.fc32, which is not obsoleted by
> the same-versioned systemd-udev, correctly realizing that this
> satisfies all constraints and it doesn't need to pull in systemd-udev.

is also a bug rather than a feature, it shows that
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1261034
is still not properly fixed. This will do the wrong thing on package splits. 
So I think it is a very bad idea to rely on this DNF bug to work around the 
other bug. We need to finally get DNF fixed to process Obsoletes in a sane 
way, the way the old YUM did.

        Kevin Kofler
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