On 5/19/20 6:03 AM, Richard Shaw wrote:
So I get the whole Fedora first, but... Backstory:FreeCAD has been in a terrible state in Fedora for a couple of years now and I've nearly given up on trying to maintain the package a few times now. The previous battle was with the Coin3D stack which finally got updated to Coin4 in f32 (then Rawhide). I constantly got bugs submitted that freecad was broken in f31 and my answer was, "Be patient it'll finally be fixed in Fedora 32 where the Coin3D stack is updated!".However, that was a lie. Unintentional, but a lie nonetheless.Fedora 32 releases and I'm enthusiastic that freecad will finally be *fixed*! And then I get my first BZ, now PySide2 is broken... Why?Because Qt 5.13.x / PySide2 5.13.x is NOT compatible with Python 3.8. But instead of asking ourselves, "should we push in the VERY latest Python and hope it's ok?", we just patch the build system to accept it anyway and hope for the best.
I'm going to jump on this. I'm not sure this is what happened in this case, but I've run into a couple situations recently where the tests in a package were failing - but apparently someone decided that it was more important to just get the build in and so disabled failing the build. Hopefully with the intention to go back and fix it, but never did. And then lo and behold things were broken.
I guess my hope here is that perhaps we allow build failures hold up finishing the rest of a stack's build a bit longer. Let that pressure build to hopefully get some more eyes on really fixing the underlying issues.
Again, no idea what happened exactly here.
Qt (et all) is a pretty organized upstream, so when asked about Python 3.8 support in 5.13.x, they said, "Nope. Wait for 5.14.x."What good does that do me? At the time it wasn't released, and once it was only Rawhide got it. And I get why. Updating the whole Qt stack and rebuilding all the dependencies is pretty a pretty painful process.So all that to say, we seem to be taking "Fedora First" to mean, we're going to update regardless of what it breaks.This is a little more ranty that I intended it to be, and no, I'm not going to go research and paste a bunch of BZ urls, this isn't about asking for help, it's more policy related.Hell, I still have one project that all but refuses to update to Python 3!Fortuantly a user found a github project that had the needed patches backported from 5.14.x! Fingers crossed freecad will work again for more than 5 seconds.Now I'm being told PySide2 doesn't build with Python 3.9 pre-release. I'm not surprised! It's not even released yet. I can (and will) inform upstream. But what do you think their answer is going to be? Wait for 5.15?Ok, rant over. Thanks, Richard
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