On Thu, Apr 07, 2005 at 04:12:11PM +0100, Mike Hearn wrote: > On Thu, 07 Apr 2005 10:27:08 -0400, Jeff Spaleta wrote: > > So let's get this straight.. not only do you want gtk1 as part of > > Core... you want it installed by default as part of the Desktop > > install? > > Yes. Having things work out of the box is the whole point, isn't it? > > I don't know. I never explicitly installed it yet it's here, on the other > hand I upgraded from a previous FC2 install. XMMS is pretty common though. But everything included does work out of the box. And newbies have a way to play music out of the box. And if you explicitly install something that requires gtk+, it'll install it. (Say, gnucash.) And Extras will be enabled by default, so it's not much different from the upgrade process. All sorts of outside programs require making sure that all sorts of certain libraries are installed. I don't think it's too much to ask for a user to who wants to install extra programs to learn how to use yum or some other update program. They ought to be updating for security anyway. I'm biased; my feelings for some time have been "Die, XMMS, Die!" I like their playlist-based approach much better than Rhythmbox, but their refusal to move away from gtk+ is frustrating. I get along perfectly well without gtk+, and don't like installing it for just one program. I consider gtk+ inherently broken at this point, for its poor internationalization support by comparison with gtk2 if nothing else. John Thacker
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