Greetings, everybody. I am the RULE project coordinator. I have never formally introduced myself here because I don't plan to become a regular FC developer, I just lurk on this list to know what will happen in Fedora. This time, however, I think I can provide some useful information: On Wed, Apr 06, 2005 21:32:00 PM +0100, Andy Green (andy@xxxxxxxxxxx) wrote: > Alan Cox wrote: > | There have been tools like miniconda. Miniconda was the first RULE installer. It is a patched anaconda and is NOT maintained anymore by us. The current one is slinky, see below. Feel of course free to port miniconda to FC4 if you think it makes sense: http://www.rule-project.org/article.php3?id_article=36 http://www.rule-project.org/article.php3?id_article=102 > | I've been down this path a bit and you hit a single fundamental > | near-insoluble problem - up2date/yum/rpm. They burn resources and > | need some major rework at the rpm level One generic comment on this: even if someone rewrote from scratch the whole up2date/yum or apt4rpm/ rpm chain, I do NOT think it would help on limited systems: it would just tell you much faster that you can't install because you have no disk space. The package management system can do little when the code of an application was originally written (or sometimes packaged later) to require any other package in sight to just use one or two files from it, and that other package has the same limit. When we started RULE I looked into some ways to automatically spot out the worst/heavier packages and package sets from this point of view, but frankly had not enough skills. I would *really* like to cooperate with some real developer on this. Basically, apt, yum and friends just tell you "don't worry, I will fill the HD with possibly unnecessary packages without wasting your time". I would like to see/help with the development of something like the DAN I tried to do back then: http://www.rule-project.org/article.php3?id_article=32 > Busybox has a really really minimal core re-implementation of > rpm/cpio. Yes, this is how slinky, the current RULE installer works. It uses busybox and its rpm to install the real rpm, and then the latter to pull in manually crafted package lists. Originally, DAN was supposed to generate these lists automatically at each new distro release. Again, I think something like DAN would help a LOT also with packaging and maintenance of standard FC, so it would be great to work on it. Anyway, the current RULE installer is shortly explained here: http://www.rule-project.org/article.php3?id_article=50 FC3 versions are here http://www.rule-project.org/download/fedora_core_3/slinky/ and their description is in this announcement: http://www.rule-project.org/breve.php3?id_breve=19 Slinky is the only one we are working on. Help on it and/on DAN is really welcome!! Ciao, Marco Fioretti -- Marco Fioretti mfioretti, at the server mclink.it Fedora Core 3 for low memory http://www.rule-project.org/ Do not ascribe to malice that which can be adequately explained by stupidity. Physicist Richard Feynmann, Nobel Prize
