Re: Summary/Minutes from today's FESCo Meeting (2020-05-11)

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On Mon, May 11, 2020 at 01:02:56PM -0500, Chris Adams wrote:
> Once upon a time, Igor Raits <ignatenkobrain@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> said:
> > * #2381 F33 System-Wide Change: systemd-resolved  (ignatenkobrain,
> >   15:10:20)
> >   * AGREED: APPROVED (+4, ±5, -0)  (ignatenkobrain, 15:18:40)
> >   * AGREED: APPROVED (+5, ±4, -0)  (ignatenkobrain, 15:20:51)
> >   * AGREED: APPROVED (+6, ±3, -0)  (ignatenkobrain, 15:21:23)
> 
> So, this is kind of annoying.  Last week's meeting had this as "Post
> feedback on the devel list and restart discussion"... but that never
> happened.
>
> This change means applications will no longer be able to find the
> working DNS servers for any kind of lookups not handled by systemd
> (systemd-resolved is intentionally not a true DNS server).  The only
> interface for that has been /etc/resolv.conf,

One of the purposes of this change is to have per-interface DNS
servers (so that split-DNS with VPN works). This means that the
"single list of DNS servers" doesn't actually describe reality any
more. So please note that even if we *do* provide a resolv.conf-style
file with some list of name servers, it is of limited use.

> but as I understand it,
> that will go away (replaced with a stub that refers to 127.0.0.53).
Yep. There's also /run/systemd/resolve/resolv.conf, where systemd-resolved
always exposes a list (with the limitations described above).

> If actual DNS servers are not going to be listed in /etc/resolv.conf,
> then there needs to be a well-defined way for applications to discover
> the current DNS servers.  resolv.conf has been the way to find DNS
> servers for decades; dropping it (and with no clear replacement) is a
> bad idea.
Is /run/systemd/resolve/resolv.conf good enough? Would a comment in
/etc/resolv.conf pointing the user to that file help?

Zbyszek
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